Freax vol. 1. - Feedback
category: residue [glöplog]
So tomcat what was/is the "misunderstood platforms" chapter in Freax vol. 2 gonna be about?
Haha, I just expected you coming up with this. Marriage is an institute to protect the family, which gays are unable to create. Sure they can move together and get a kid from an orphanage, but that's not a family, just a mockery. One of the basic cornerstones of society would be removed if marriage would be allowed for gays. And before you call me childish again, which seems to be your ultimate argument for anything, right now millions are marching on Paris' streets with the same childish opinion.
happilypossessed: Gay computers.
CrossProduct, I am happy that I depressed you. Enjoy that fagship. Which of them are you?
A pun? Looked more like a palindrome to me!
i have absolutely no intention of getting involved into this thread (having had enough of getting harassed by scene lunatics), but i just want to point out the absolute ridiculousness of tomcat styling himself as a victim of oppressive hungarian politics, and thus speculating on the fact that demosceners not too much informed about political affairs will buy this, probably having heard something vague about the authoritarian drift in hungarian politics, but never bothered to dig deeper. i have, however, dealt with hungarian politics quite a lot (as much as a position of being outside the country allows), and thus can't be as shamelessly fooled.
while tomcat is, to be sure, no neo-nazi, he unquestionably is on the side of those who are to be found to the right of the current government. no matter how often he punches a jobbik guy, it is quite obvious from what he is saying that orbán is not "enough" for him. he might consider himself some sort of dissident within the right, but objectively he is on the same side as zsolt bayer, istván csurka, györgy dörner etc., i.e. those who share a vision of "national revival", an excluding concept of citizenship bound to "ethnicity", a revision of trianon, and the ideology of the "holy crown". and the things that tomcat tried to tell me when we met in 2007(?) for the last time were quite obvious in this regard. i am, on the contrary, on the side of ágnes heller, györgy dalos, imre kertész, karl pfeiffer or magdalena marsovszky. and one of those who value the contributions to european civilisation by mihály károlyi, béla bartok, györgy lukács or anna seghers immensely more than those of miklós horthy, józsef nyírö or albert wass. or, in fact, the side that values european civilisation at all, unlike those who believe in the "holy crown", autarky, blood-citizenship, and similar nonsense. so, we are on different sides of the barricades. and thus, have nothing to say to each other - even though this is really sad considering "freax" being an important project for the scene, and our rather constructive cooperation in this matter. i am not happy or gleeful over this at all.
and the whining about "black lists" is particularly cynical, given that it's tomcat's _objective_ allies at the jobbik student union drawing up "black lists" of supposed jews and leftists at university.
but why am i even posting this, seeing that tomcat already reveals his ideological positions all by himself.
while tomcat is, to be sure, no neo-nazi, he unquestionably is on the side of those who are to be found to the right of the current government. no matter how often he punches a jobbik guy, it is quite obvious from what he is saying that orbán is not "enough" for him. he might consider himself some sort of dissident within the right, but objectively he is on the same side as zsolt bayer, istván csurka, györgy dörner etc., i.e. those who share a vision of "national revival", an excluding concept of citizenship bound to "ethnicity", a revision of trianon, and the ideology of the "holy crown". and the things that tomcat tried to tell me when we met in 2007(?) for the last time were quite obvious in this regard. i am, on the contrary, on the side of ágnes heller, györgy dalos, imre kertész, karl pfeiffer or magdalena marsovszky. and one of those who value the contributions to european civilisation by mihály károlyi, béla bartok, györgy lukács or anna seghers immensely more than those of miklós horthy, józsef nyírö or albert wass. or, in fact, the side that values european civilisation at all, unlike those who believe in the "holy crown", autarky, blood-citizenship, and similar nonsense. so, we are on different sides of the barricades. and thus, have nothing to say to each other - even though this is really sad considering "freax" being an important project for the scene, and our rather constructive cooperation in this matter. i am not happy or gleeful over this at all.
and the whining about "black lists" is particularly cynical, given that it's tomcat's _objective_ allies at the jobbik student union drawing up "black lists" of supposed jews and leftists at university.
but why am i even posting this, seeing that tomcat already reveals his ideological positions all by himself.
but i'm happily vacating this thread in favour of those who think that this is demoscene and politics don't concern them (until they wake up in a country where people like tomcat are in power), and who want to discuss about "freax" (neverminding whose book they will be buying). good bye!
Well, thank you for certifying me not being a Nazi. That's right, the current government is not good for me, basically because it's the same opportunistic bunch of oligarchs as the post-commies who were sacked in 2010.
Don't bring up Bayer with my name, he's a dishonored dickhead, a political whore. Csurka was an idiot and a criminal. I'll go with Dörner though, who is an excellent gentleman and a great patriot.
The persons you listed here are openly on the side of Communist murders, the henchman of the 1919 coup and the post-1945 dictatorship. Not like I expected anything else from a Communist. Some of these people are not simply supporters of mass murderers, but even direct descendants of the main perpetrators. It's like if you supported the grandson of Goebbels (I know there's no such person) who advocates holocaust denial.
Contrary to your statements, I've never advocated "bloodlines" or any racial theories. Being Hungarian in my opinion requires to be part of the faith to this nation and country. This is it, and nothing else.
And I am rejecting your false accusations about blacklists. What you're talking about is that a student union in Hungary made a list of a few dozen people and some got really rude remarks on the edge of the paper. So what - not a nice thing to do. Comparing this to the practice that authorities make lists of people and give orders to prosecute them for no reason, is simply an exorbitant lie. Calling a victim of this blacklisting "cynical" is simply out of the bullshit meter. However, you deserve ten points for your elaborate attempt to misguide people here, while blaming me for doing it: it's a typical leftist tactics.
Don't bring up Bayer with my name, he's a dishonored dickhead, a political whore. Csurka was an idiot and a criminal. I'll go with Dörner though, who is an excellent gentleman and a great patriot.
The persons you listed here are openly on the side of Communist murders, the henchman of the 1919 coup and the post-1945 dictatorship. Not like I expected anything else from a Communist. Some of these people are not simply supporters of mass murderers, but even direct descendants of the main perpetrators. It's like if you supported the grandson of Goebbels (I know there's no such person) who advocates holocaust denial.
Contrary to your statements, I've never advocated "bloodlines" or any racial theories. Being Hungarian in my opinion requires to be part of the faith to this nation and country. This is it, and nothing else.
And I am rejecting your false accusations about blacklists. What you're talking about is that a student union in Hungary made a list of a few dozen people and some got really rude remarks on the edge of the paper. So what - not a nice thing to do. Comparing this to the practice that authorities make lists of people and give orders to prosecute them for no reason, is simply an exorbitant lie. Calling a victim of this blacklisting "cynical" is simply out of the bullshit meter. However, you deserve ten points for your elaborate attempt to misguide people here, while blaming me for doing it: it's a typical leftist tactics.
In an equal society no one would get married. Or certainly wouldn't get any tax cuts and so on because of being married. Religious institutions etc could of course continue the marriage tradition, what kind of celebrations people want to have in private is no one's business. They would also be able to set their own rules then based on their traditions and could choose to or choose not to marry gays, polygamists, whatever their tradition finds acceptable (or not)... But instead of campaigning for equality (like they claim), the faggots just want to add themselves to the privileged group of people who benefit at the expense of the single man.
So do all Hungarian right-wingers agree on the notion that if a Hungarian Jew says he is a Hungarian citizen and loves Hungary, then it's all okay and the Hungarian Jew will enjoy full rights like any other Hungarian citizen? If Hungarian right-wingers think this way, then I have no problems with them.
Well, you fuck up your own country and your children's future as you wish. Flood your country with immigrants, let gays parade your streets and tell women not to give birth but be "independent" instead. Every civilization's fall starts with enabling such deviances. We, East Europeans do not wish that. Have fun with your equality.
Adok: Yes, and we have a lot of Jews who are greatly contributing to our nation's values. But a person who just claims that he is for the nation, demands all the rights, and actively tries to disrupt our society, is no way to be accepted.
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I didn't know there is a limit for expressing your opinion. Can I do it how many times a year? Or is there a lifetime limit, like for radiation?
Ok, this is completely off topic (if there ever was one) but there is no such thing as "lifetime limit" for radiation! I think I'm going to start a pro-radiation crusade to fight those die-hard myths, it seems there's a desperate need for it. Radioactivist, that sounds cool.
Have fun with your house arrest.
So... equality will ruin Europe?
Children are in danger because there are gay parades?
Women should not be independent?
And tomcat is the voice of all East Europeans?
Awesome. Please, continue.
Children are in danger because there are gay parades?
Women should not be independent?
And tomcat is the voice of all East Europeans?
Awesome. Please, continue.
thanks to this political discussion and gay rights talk, i finally understand what the fraternité is all about in liberté, égalité, fraternité ;))
I'd be careful with what I'm posting here if I were tomcat - some people might start believing that shit...
It's quite funny how the avid defenders of liberty, equality and justice turn into raging Nazis as soon as they encounter an opinion that's not compatible with theirs. So far I learned that I deserve being imprisoned, sent to a mental asylum, and it's OK to prosecute me for being annoying.
Answering your questions, ham. Children, and society itself is endangered by this gay movement. It's far not about rights or anything. To be exact, they don't demand rights which they don't get, but extra rights exceeding normal. And these are not necessarily legal rights. One example. With a strong gay lobby behind him, who dares to fire a gay worker? Who will dare to argue with a gay person if he can pull out the homophobia card any time and stigmatize you? Who will dare to judge a gay person, let he be any major asshole openly, fearing retribution from the gay lobby and all the idiots misguided by them? We are already at the point when being openly gay means that you're supposedly above intelligent and a natural born leader. This is what these gay marches wish to promote: to make gay people accepted as chosen and special.
Women: they should not be "independent" as they are insisted to. The entire "be single, be independent, set yourself free" bullshit results in a bunch of arrogant bitches and arrogant men alike. Jesus, it's already common for women to denounce men for rape if they regret having sex with them the next day. Women are encouraged to reject men, to be arrogant and bloated, not to take any critics... and then die alone, with dozens of cats maybe, as alcoholics or junkies.
How funny, women who actually raise children, take care for the family and faithful to their men never yalp about their rights. My mother spent her life on us, and never walked out to the street to demand independence or anything. This entire "be independent, be yourself" crap is advocated by dumb bitches who aren't good for anything, and are not willing to be useful. They sit in a café, munch on cakes bought on their current guy's money and whine about being so suppressed. Thanks, I don't want to see such women around me. To be a strong woman does not mean you have to be an ignorant bitch. We have a lot of strong women in our country's history who never had a problem with being a woman.
Tomcat is not the voice of all East Europeans, and he never said this.
Answering your questions, ham. Children, and society itself is endangered by this gay movement. It's far not about rights or anything. To be exact, they don't demand rights which they don't get, but extra rights exceeding normal. And these are not necessarily legal rights. One example. With a strong gay lobby behind him, who dares to fire a gay worker? Who will dare to argue with a gay person if he can pull out the homophobia card any time and stigmatize you? Who will dare to judge a gay person, let he be any major asshole openly, fearing retribution from the gay lobby and all the idiots misguided by them? We are already at the point when being openly gay means that you're supposedly above intelligent and a natural born leader. This is what these gay marches wish to promote: to make gay people accepted as chosen and special.
Women: they should not be "independent" as they are insisted to. The entire "be single, be independent, set yourself free" bullshit results in a bunch of arrogant bitches and arrogant men alike. Jesus, it's already common for women to denounce men for rape if they regret having sex with them the next day. Women are encouraged to reject men, to be arrogant and bloated, not to take any critics... and then die alone, with dozens of cats maybe, as alcoholics or junkies.
How funny, women who actually raise children, take care for the family and faithful to their men never yalp about their rights. My mother spent her life on us, and never walked out to the street to demand independence or anything. This entire "be independent, be yourself" crap is advocated by dumb bitches who aren't good for anything, and are not willing to be useful. They sit in a café, munch on cakes bought on their current guy's money and whine about being so suppressed. Thanks, I don't want to see such women around me. To be a strong woman does not mean you have to be an ignorant bitch. We have a lot of strong women in our country's history who never had a problem with being a woman.
Tomcat is not the voice of all East Europeans, and he never said this.
ted, are you afraid that people might get convinced in a debate? Go ahead, ban debates for the better good.
No, I'm afraid of the fact that you actually believe the crap you're writing here.
Also, why on earth are you so fucking scared of women and homosexuals?
Also, why on earth are you so fucking scared of women and homosexuals?
Such a nice counterargument, dude.
Such a nice way to dodge a question, dude.
ted, you had no question. You've posted some childish mockery. This is not much different from what the others are doing, but I am not going down to this level. A debate is only worth doing if both of the sides are ready to give up their point if proven wrong, or even if not, they are willing to accept what the other side proves. Here I see a ton of simple bigots thinking they are so cool and modern because they're liberalists. The only person worthy of any arguments was dipswitch, who has already left. May I insist to return to the topic, that book about the demoscene.