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tl:dr, but to get philosophical the "wisdom" of a crowd is a very subjective thing...

Oh. And I think both pictures look like crap.

1:0 for minecraft with the hd pack. it's really not about the details. it's the contrast and colors.

And by that I meant it doesn't matter too much if things get polygonal and blurry textured up close, so long as the supposedly realistic landscape doesn't look like legoland. A super-detailed legoland is still really cool, but it's super-niche, that's what I was getting at. You're not going to start seeing minecraft levels in the next crysis game.

raer: They avoided the philosophical aspect by sampling the space-time reality: traditional experiments then statistics on top of that. The findings of this paper are pretty recalcitrant to the present zeitgeist (facebook, tweeter, mass-media, stealing each other's discoveries without first understanding/comprehending them).

ARgh! The guy really talks like that! :O

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but if not...
http://imgur.com/g0gXt

The stove in my kitchen says "infinite heat" on the control panel. So, I'm afraid to turn it on.

@Kais: Must agree. Just one slight difference... Leibniz was a Mathematician, and there is no such things as patents in Mathematics and this makes things much easier because people give real explanations, not only hints...
(But it's not that easy, because if money is not the only motive, fame cames in and then we have the classic Leibniz/Newton war...)

Also the French Science Academy now refuses to answer to the people that claims to have invented the perpetual movement or to have proven the circle's squaring (quadrature du cercle?). Hobbyists approach is not always good... And that's why this thread must be left for some time until they come with something real, and then we shall praise them! ... or not!

What gets me about these guys, is that there are people the same thing (Ultra-high detail voxel worlds), listing the strength and weaknesses of each approach and having much nicer looking output (Unlimited Detail don't seem to focus on the aesthetics side much though), but "Unlimited Detail" get all the publicity and funding. Its kinda sad.



Nicer looking and more practical voxel stuff here.
http://procworld.blogspot.com/

Also:
http://procworld.blogspot.com/2011/08/unlimited-detail.html

What really grinds my teeth is where they specifically say those are not voxels:


From: http://unlimiteddetailtechnology.com/description.html

3D tile-based games with high detail...

Yeah, i long for Pushy in 3d and unlimited details...

[H]ardOCP got an interview with them:

http://vimeo.com/27522131

Jcl: Carmack says exactly this too. See the quotation in a previous pouet 'oneliner'. The arguments built on their contents not being interesting enough are without force.

Yep, the demos might be butt-ugly, but consider the technology IS the content at this stage. They're coders, not artists, and they're showing what their tech can do, not how beautiful somebody can make it look.

i've been watching this and well.. it's starting to convince me. point clouds... they definitelly have to go forward.. and maybe not use an uniform grid to instance 3d objects.. doesn't look so good..

personally i still prefer voxels, not the voxels as little boxes but as point of information storage on a uniform grid, whatever the information is.

though someone has to say him that LOD is a Level Of Detail, not a Level Of Distance!! ;) ;)

Well, you normally use a level of detail at a level of distance, so i guess he's kind of almost right. But still, almost totally wrong :)

Sorry for keeping this thread undead. It is likely that if the Pushy (even Dig Dug) look revealed an inherent characteristic of their way of doing things, they would take care to hide it (after all, their old demonstrations, except for the pseudo space filling strange animals, didn't show such features). Instead, we witness an unadultered gross voxel world, the cubes being subjected to some sophisticated displacement mapping. Surely, this is not a necessity.

I love that he doesnt know terms like "LOD". I hope he's a freakin' GENIUS and that he will keynote at every single CG conference and be disgruntledly hailed as the king of realtime graphics after the release of their first insane live product. Think of the wonderful disturbance in the Force that would be.. hoho.

I won't hold my breath, show me skinned animation and I'll be shocked

I don't think characters are much of an issue tbh. In modern games the characters look pretty damned good, while the rest of the world looks ok from a distance but quite crappy up close. If they're rendering the environment on the CPU, the GPU would be mostly idle and you could render the characters there (in theory at much higher quality too).

But yeah, slight change and we end up at the same place: I won't hold my breath, show me trees and grass swaying in the breeze and I'll be shocked ;)

Show me realtime lighting, complex geometry (not this instanced crap), dynamic objects, and a framerate above 25 fps, then show me that all the "unlimited point cloud darta" compresses to a meaningful size, and then I'll be interested enough to possibly overlook all the bullshit.