Anarchy in The EU
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Also, Navis needs to look up Cognitive Dissonance and call it black.
hey, its taxpayers all over europe that will have to pay for that
Which is exactly why the Euro has been a disaster waiting to happen. Just an opinion.
I refuse to call it one color or another when there is always another "major slice of the population" that, traditionally, has nothing to do with what is happening today in Greece or in other struggling countries (I wonder if their problems, too, are caused by corruption and inertia being a "national sport").
As for the riots, I also feel embarrassed. Everybody does, in Greece or abroad. The truth of the matter is that tens of thousands of people protest peacefully for weeks; yet some idiots (not more than fifty or one hundred) are just spoiling it. You'll find these idiots everywhere in the world, it happens more often than not.
As for the riots, I also feel embarrassed. Everybody does, in Greece or abroad. The truth of the matter is that tens of thousands of people protest peacefully for weeks; yet some idiots (not more than fifty or one hundred) are just spoiling it. You'll find these idiots everywhere in the world, it happens more often than not.
....and that is how we perceive it in other countries.
Like OMG there's a revolution going on! ....oh wait, naw they're not heading towards the Parliament, what stupid shits. Lets switch to another channel.
:D
Like OMG there's a revolution going on! ....oh wait, naw they're not heading towards the Parliament, what stupid shits. Lets switch to another channel.
:D
What more to add, something profound and funny? Naaah!
I kind of like the Euro, but the terms and conditions of joining the single currency were fudged heavily with certain countries, and we're seeing the consequences of this right now.
Having expressed my liking for the Euro, I'm glad that the UK didn't join, looking at the trouble we've got into without it. If we had been in the Euro, it would have been Ireland x 10, stupid property boom and collapse and all.
I kind of like the Euro, but the terms and conditions of joining the single currency were fudged heavily with certain countries, and we're seeing the consequences of this right now.
Having expressed my liking for the Euro, I'm glad that the UK didn't join, looking at the trouble we've got into without it. If we had been in the Euro, it would have been Ireland x 10, stupid property boom and collapse and all.
The poor taxpayers of Europe, by the way, are effectively paying to cover the exposure of their banks (mostly French and German) against a bankruptcy of Greece and other states. They are securing the LOANS (nothing is given away for free) with a fairly high interest against fairly valuable assets which are now valued at rock bottom prices because of the situation. And a lot of that money goes towards paying interest on past loans, all built like a well-oiled Ponzi scheme (Hello Africa).
I wonder if the French banks hadn't GAMBLED their people's money on greek bonds over the past 20 years (the shit has been hitting the fan in Greece at least since 1985, it's ever so clear) what would really be the scenario today.
I wonder if the French banks hadn't GAMBLED their people's money on greek bonds over the past 20 years (the shit has been hitting the fan in Greece at least since 1985, it's ever so clear) what would really be the scenario today.
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You'll find these idiots everywhere in the world, it happens more often than not.
Fair call, mob rule does happen. & it is only a small minority usually which then unfortunately reflects on the rest of the population.
Maybe some vigilantism is needed, ala Cairo?
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I wonder if their problems, too, are caused by corruption and inertia being a "national sport"
I vehemently denounce this kind of bullshit logic, and you left out tax evasion. It's one thing to say that other struggling nations have internal issues one nudge off the straight and narrow, but this is the best you can come up with?
Flying in the face of the cold, hard fact that Greece is more oldskool than the C64 in terms of EU admission, I call bullshit. Nearly 30 years after the fact, you seriously wish to compare Greece to emerging countries? Ha.
(Also yes, the media loves to focus on troublemakers. Boo hoo.)
can you give me his number?
Shifter: I'm only saying that you overgeneralize when you say that corruption, tax evasion and inertia from a "major part of the population" is causing this economic effect in Greece. I say that it's a lot more complicated than that, and many, many people are truly innocent.
But you may know better, being the high judge of everything from your far away land and all that...
But you may know better, being the high judge of everything from your far away land and all that...
Well, all this is normal. Have you noticed all those recent economical (and also political) instabilities all around the world?
The reason is simple: the current system is obsolete. Remember history: it always gets very messy right before the collapse. Right now the capitalism is in agony. Very soon the system will collapse. And it is going to be the most radical change in the history of humankind for two reasons. First, the world today is more tightly integrated than ever, the countries are so dependent on each other that domino effect is inevitable. Second, the capitalism is the last system based on the money. And getting rid of them will be much more shocking than getting rid of slavery, theocracy or absolutism.
Unfortunately, there is another possibility. We may chose not to get rid of the money, but then we will regress into worldwide hierarchical slavery. It will be much worse than Orwell ever imagined, and no more revolutions will be possible because the technology will be so advanced that they will have total control over our thoughts and intentions and any anomaly will be immediately exterminated. Our grandchildren then might not even have a chance to get aware of the situation.
Which option do you like more?
The reason is simple: the current system is obsolete. Remember history: it always gets very messy right before the collapse. Right now the capitalism is in agony. Very soon the system will collapse. And it is going to be the most radical change in the history of humankind for two reasons. First, the world today is more tightly integrated than ever, the countries are so dependent on each other that domino effect is inevitable. Second, the capitalism is the last system based on the money. And getting rid of them will be much more shocking than getting rid of slavery, theocracy or absolutism.
Unfortunately, there is another possibility. We may chose not to get rid of the money, but then we will regress into worldwide hierarchical slavery. It will be much worse than Orwell ever imagined, and no more revolutions will be possible because the technology will be so advanced that they will have total control over our thoughts and intentions and any anomaly will be immediately exterminated. Our grandchildren then might not even have a chance to get aware of the situation.
Which option do you like more?
Anger is spreading. The people from Greece, Spain, Ireland, UK and other countries don't want to pay for something they're not responsible for.
The responsibility of the current crisis all goes to the banks. Guess what our gouvernments did ? Refund them so they can keep on with the mess they started. The latest Greek parliament vote is all the same. Couldn't they just decide to STOP PAYING, they've already paid enough ! And if it happens to generate another crisis, it can only happen anyway, sooner or later. so the sooner the better.
All struggling people are right. They must force their governements to work in the interests of people who voted for them. And bleeding them is not the right way to help them.
The responsibility of the current crisis all goes to the banks. Guess what our gouvernments did ? Refund them so they can keep on with the mess they started. The latest Greek parliament vote is all the same. Couldn't they just decide to STOP PAYING, they've already paid enough ! And if it happens to generate another crisis, it can only happen anyway, sooner or later. so the sooner the better.
All struggling people are right. They must force their governements to work in the interests of people who voted for them. And bleeding them is not the right way to help them.
Navis:
Plus what you said afterwards. Also what chudik said...
I have nothing against the greek finally starting to pay taxes. ~50% of what I earn goes to the german state...
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The poor taxpayers of Europe, by the way, are effectively paying to cover the exposure of their banks (mostly French and German) against a bankruptcy of Greece and other states. They are securing the LOANS (nothing is given away for free) with a fairly high interest against fairly valuable assets which are now valued at rock bottom prices because of the situation. And a lot of that money goes towards paying interest on past loans, all built like a well-oiled Ponzi scheme (Hello Africa).
I wonder if the French banks hadn't GAMBLED their people's money on greek bonds over the past 20 years (the shit has been hitting the fan in Greece at least since 1985, it's ever so clear) what would really be the scenario today.
Plus what you said afterwards. Also what chudik said...
I have nothing against the greek finally starting to pay taxes. ~50% of what I earn goes to the german state...
go to revolution !
we just need to shpot all those criminals in their face :)
Maybe some gabber could help?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7tGQFSUNE
Although I don't agree 100% with the lyrics above , it has to be said that wearing gasmasks and throwing rocks is far easier than changing an entire political system through offical ways. Agreed, it is less spectacular and way more boring, but why do we always have to resort to violence when changing things?
Also may I stress that the police isn't the one responsible for this absurd and messy state the world is in? If you want to throw rocks, at least hurl them to the people who deserve it. Same goes for setting cars on fire and bashing skulls in. Those police-officer are just doing their jobs, namely executing orders from the people who should be the real target.
@chudik : Thre is another possibility, namely that those in power would love to see all the physical money in the world gone, so they have more control over it. But I agree with what one could call the moment before the storm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7tGQFSUNE
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Dj Promo - Statement Of Power lyrics
From the underground (?X)
Tell me straight from the underground!
You all think you're so smart, don't you?
You all just sit back, whine and complain
like you always do, but you don't do nothing
A war comes up, do you fight?
Hell no, you protest.
Protest is for pussies
Try fighting for something, putting your life
on the line, before talking about powerful things
You never take a real stand.
A stand that you'd be willing to--
-Die for?
No, boy, dying's easy
Ain't nothing heroic about dying
One of these days, all you bleeding hearts
are going to learn that we're right
Us people with jobs, I'm talking about
Real people
We do all the fighting, working, and dying,
And you do all the bitching
From the underground (?X)
UNDERGROUND!
Although I don't agree 100% with the lyrics above , it has to be said that wearing gasmasks and throwing rocks is far easier than changing an entire political system through offical ways. Agreed, it is less spectacular and way more boring, but why do we always have to resort to violence when changing things?
Also may I stress that the police isn't the one responsible for this absurd and messy state the world is in? If you want to throw rocks, at least hurl them to the people who deserve it. Same goes for setting cars on fire and bashing skulls in. Those police-officer are just doing their jobs, namely executing orders from the people who should be the real target.
@chudik : Thre is another possibility, namely that those in power would love to see all the physical money in the world gone, so they have more control over it. But I agree with what one could call the moment before the storm.
Working link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7tGQFSUNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt7tGQFSUNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok
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Guess what our governments did ? Refund them so they can keep on with the mess they started.
As with the numerous bail-outs globally if they didn't do it the economy would literally grind to a slow, sticky halt. Eventually.
Yet. The Bank's CEOs continue to get mega-fucking-huge bonuses/payouts and most of their shareholders seem very happy with their continued dividends.
Bottom line - if you're going to go anarchic then take it out on the banks/big corporations rather than the parliament as government really is just a puppet of those who decide where the buck stops.
I still stand by my original Soundtrack.
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@chudik : Thre is another possibility, namely that those in power would love to see all the physical money in the world gone, so they have more control over it. But I agree with what one could call the moment before the storm.
Converting all those pieces of paper into bits of information floating through the net would be only the early step of that second possibility I mentioned above. Some early signs are showing even today. Owners of electronic cards may notice how easily their bank can block, undo or otherwise manipulate your money whenever they decide you do something "suspicious". Also, remember PayPal blocking donation accounts of Wikileaks, who were behaving naughty, or FSB tracking down and harrassing donators of russian corruption fighter Navalny. Such practices will become more and more common in the future.
And about targeting banks and corrupt politicians: of course it's what should be done, but the police naturally gets in the way, protecting bastards. Poor fellows are just doing their job, blindly protecting their masters, they are ordered to draw the people's rage upon themselves.
they are free people at last. and they decide to support the massmurderers. so throwing stones on them if they prevent you from makeing justice is fair enough.