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Maybe it'd a new compo category. :P

Most-stupid-idea-ever.

If i'm rebooting my computer chances are i'll be impatient for it to boot and be done with it. osX does the right thing by having a while screen with a minimal picture and no bullshit. Now i'm sure that most time spent booting is actually doing disk-io but even then the effect itself would be annoying.

blue-demo-of-death?.. no thanks.

zomg - win of the day!

@ muse - I've set quiet and nosplash in grub (believe me it's a real pain using grub2 compared to editing /boot/grub/menu.lst) so that I can at least see some of my kernel messages so that if things do go pear-shaped I can @ least have an idea where things have gone wrong.
Mind you - reboot is usually "fresh beer" time for me! ;)

what photon said!

Wow. I never expected so much hate and opposition to demos from the scene.

I guess the Linux boot process will just continue to suck, because demo coders prefer crappy graphics or no graphics at all during boot.

And it's kind of funny to hear people calling the idea stupid while at the same time there's so much Amiga demo worship on this board.

Guess when virtually all of the Amiga demos and intros ran? On boot!

When you put a warez disk in to an Amiga, it would almost always boot right in to an intro.

I didn't hear many people complaining about how stupid the idea of booting in to an intro was, or how they'd prefer their computer just skipped the intro and continued with the boot, nor about their precious CPU cycles being wasted on a demo, nor about how they'd rather go take a dump or grab a beer rather than watch the demo during boot.

I vote for BITS doing the boot loader gfx/demo.

all those wasted keystrokes... your linux boot demo would have been done

Computers today are a million times more powerful than the Amiga. And yet in comparison they show utter garbage on boot. And you of all people actually prefer it this way?

That is just too pathetic for words.

♻, you're absolutely right. If I had the skills I wouldn't be complaining, I'd be making a demo myself.

Unfortunately, I'm just a demo fan, and not a coder. Or at least not with enough skills to make a demo mysefl.

muse: Learn to code, and put your idea to life. No one wants to implement other people's ideas, we have enough exiting ideas of our own.

Also, learn how not to be an asshole.

Korvkiosken: I was perfectly civil until people started telling me that what I proposed was the "most-stupid-idea-ever", and how they'd rather take a dump than watch a demo on boot.

I don't know what the hell you guys are doing on this board if you don't actually want to see more demos.

Yeah, I reacted strongly to that kind of rejection from people who I expected to have the most sympathy for this idea. Sorry if I offended your delicate sensibilities.

But it's still really sad that the demoscene is actually dead set against making demos where there aren't any now.

And it's not like this is the most radical and outrageous suggestion ever. Like I mentioned above, the Amiga had plenty of boot demos. The whole scene virtually revolved around them.

So I really can not understand the hostility generated by the very same idea transferred to the Linux platform.

Don't get your panties in a twist. As Kusma said; just do it yourself and have some fun.

Imho, the average demomaker does not consider that linux is all that great.

So.

Well, my machine is a 6 year old Core-Duo (not Core2) @2Ghz. I call this totally outdated technology. The trick to get good boot performance (and even better system performance) is to spend 120€ and buy a SSD.

You never want anything else after you've tried.



Contrary to the Amiga the PC has to deal with a gazillion different graphic chips. Noone will spend time to write a hundret of graphic drivers that even work while a OS is booting at the same time. Oh and you also need to hand-over control to the kernel as soon as it wants to initializes its own driver. Good luck with that.

On a technical side, I agree with what torus said, writing a decent bootloader would be very difficult so the options are limited to software rendering and old VGA modes... which of course might be fine anyway...

Thank you. Finally some serious technical reasons why we don't see more boot demos on the x86 platform.

But are these complete deal breakers?

Sure, it's impractical to write drivers for every graphics card a given machine might have installed. But what about a standard graphics driver like VESA?

Of course it won't give you the performance of a driver written specifically for that graphics card, but it might be good enough for at least a simple demo, no?

http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?menu=c10400&no=321779&rel_no=1

linux don't need graphics.

<- solaris fan

linux don't need graphics.

<- solaris fan

oh come on, nothing beats my O2 running IRIX! ;)

oh yea, i used to love irix boxes :p