Where to direct newcomers or advertise for new members?
category: general [glöplog]
right.
[arnold] WRONG!
I hear there's lessons about racial supremacy there too! what more could you want?
There is a broad variety of topics and opinions covered in Hugi. Get some education and read for instance:
- The Politics Of The Scene, Hugi 15
- The Age Of Falling Morals, Hugi 15
- The Curse of Feminism, Hugi 23
- When Menacians meet Enderlendians - The Danger of Nationalism, Hugi 14
- Political Correctness, Wertrelativismus und Meinungsfreiheit, Hugi 13
- My Opinion on Politics, Hugi 16
- Save the Planet, Kill a Hippy, Hugi 19
- The war and the scene, Hugi 19
- Is Serbia a dictatorship?, Hugi 19
- Flashbacks, Hugi 29
- The Politics Of The Scene, Hugi 15
- The Age Of Falling Morals, Hugi 15
- The Curse of Feminism, Hugi 23
- When Menacians meet Enderlendians - The Danger of Nationalism, Hugi 14
- Political Correctness, Wertrelativismus und Meinungsfreiheit, Hugi 13
- My Opinion on Politics, Hugi 16
- Save the Planet, Kill a Hippy, Hugi 19
- The war and the scene, Hugi 19
- Is Serbia a dictatorship?, Hugi 19
- Flashbacks, Hugi 29
- is dubstep a form of music?, hugi 37
We had neither of these in the old days and demos still happened so I doubt we need it in the google age. If someone really wants to make demos they'll either be determined enough to find out themsleves or find someone who does, same as always.
i think you should direct new comers to demo parties. that way they can meet real people instead of reading about them.
back when i got into demo scene, one the major kicks were the fact that some of the gurus were living close in a range of 50 km of me. it made it all more feasible, in stead of having an idea of demo sceners as people coming from far away places.
i blame it on the mtv and generation x.
back when i got into demo scene, one the major kicks were the fact that some of the gurus were living close in a range of 50 km of me. it made it all more feasible, in stead of having an idea of demo sceners as people coming from far away places.
i blame it on the mtv and generation x.
I think the "just go to a demoparty"-opinion is a bit harder than it sounds. You could go there and sit quietly in a corner, but I for one is not nearly social enough that I dare just walk up to a bunch of old farts standing around halfdrunk and yelling and ask them "so, I kinda do these photoshop things, eh, anyone wanna see?"
I dont think i spoke to 'strangers' the first couple of parties. It was enough just being there and see the compos.
Demoparties definately is a way to do it. Still - you'd face 10-20 guys nic0 speaks about before you perhaps get lucky and connects with someone remotely interested in more than the glory from their latest production.
The idea about pouet or hugi doesn't work either, as I see it. I know of quite a few sceners, that - if you don't know them - would seem to be arrogant selfsufficient ego's that couldn't care less about a newbie trying to connect with others from the local area.
I mean - this thread alone pretty much underline my general point with equal parts serious input and go-bother-someone-else replies.
I agree that going to parties would increase the urge to join the scene, but if you already went as far as to attend a party, you're pretty well sure about what you want, and now need some means of connecting with the right people.
My thought was to have a website of some kind, that wasn't the usual this-is-what-the-scene-is or three-steps-sine-scroller-tutorials. It should simply be some sort of "dating-site" for sceners. I know it sounds awefully corny, but I think you catch my drift. I have no intentions of doing such a site myself, and my initian post was merely to check if such a site already existed. Obviously it doesn't.
The idea about pouet or hugi doesn't work either, as I see it. I know of quite a few sceners, that - if you don't know them - would seem to be arrogant selfsufficient ego's that couldn't care less about a newbie trying to connect with others from the local area.
I mean - this thread alone pretty much underline my general point with equal parts serious input and go-bother-someone-else replies.
I agree that going to parties would increase the urge to join the scene, but if you already went as far as to attend a party, you're pretty well sure about what you want, and now need some means of connecting with the right people.
My thought was to have a website of some kind, that wasn't the usual this-is-what-the-scene-is or three-steps-sine-scroller-tutorials. It should simply be some sort of "dating-site" for sceners. I know it sounds awefully corny, but I think you catch my drift. I have no intentions of doing such a site myself, and my initian post was merely to check if such a site already existed. Obviously it doesn't.
Oh, and it's not because I'm looking for other groups to join or we're on the search for members at the moment. I went through the initiation-problems some 20 years ago ;-)
groups were a lot more fluid "back in the day". anyone who was around during the 90s on the Amiga (for example) will remember the News sections of diskmags which often announced the "transfer" of big names from one group to another: "TRSI announce their latest member LaZur who has joined from Anadune"..."Cougar/ex. Sanity has joined Artwork". hehe, it really added a fun dimension to the scene when you had "group managers" (yes kids, each group had an official manager...well most) vying with eachother to attract and bribe the best "talent" on the scene... :)
groups would actively advertise for new members and newcommers (in diskmags and JoinTros") to apply for membership by sending examples of their work. Group membership seems a lot more static and cast in stone today, with groups preferring coops than new membership. shame, it probably encourage new commers a lot.
groups would actively advertise for new members and newcommers (in diskmags and JoinTros") to apply for membership by sending examples of their work. Group membership seems a lot more static and cast in stone today, with groups preferring coops than new membership. shame, it probably encourage new commers a lot.
but, i guess that was all an expression of the scene's youthful vibrance, many groups are a lot alder and reserved today. nobody would consider attempting to steal Smash from Fairlight, fe ;) But it would be fun to see
punqtured, well, there are a number of arrogant pricks in the scene (in some cases extreme talent = extreme arrogancy). i wouldn't go to them for advice - even today.
i still believe that sites like pouet.net with downloads and information on productions combined with demo parties would be the way to go.
from a coder perspective, there is not a long way from coding your first rotating triangle to submitting your first (crappy) release. once the release is submitted, you'll notice a guy wandering about looking cheerfull - since it's a success that you managed to compile + upload something - and in many cases this "rush" combined with alchohol has in many cases broken the barrier and made new comers talk to other sceners at the parties.
i've seen it so many times during especially Break Point and back at Scene Event. it doesn't happen at Solskogen or other elitist parties :-)
i still believe that sites like pouet.net with downloads and information on productions combined with demo parties would be the way to go.
from a coder perspective, there is not a long way from coding your first rotating triangle to submitting your first (crappy) release. once the release is submitted, you'll notice a guy wandering about looking cheerfull - since it's a success that you managed to compile + upload something - and in many cases this "rush" combined with alchohol has in many cases broken the barrier and made new comers talk to other sceners at the parties.
i've seen it so many times during especially Break Point and back at Scene Event. it doesn't happen at Solskogen or other elitist parties :-)
rasmus, i've seldomly seen the "extreme talent = extreme arrogancy". i've the impression that the extreme arrogancy typically comes from the "some talent" crowd. in fact, i've really come to enjoy how some sceners used to be my gods, then gradually turned into friends (or, at least, good people to hang with) instead. that said, ymmv.
what skrebbel said.
..the rest of this entire thread is utter nonsense :)
I don't know if it's been mentioned already, but a demo is the perfect place to inspire people to join your group. If they love your stuff, all you have to do is write contact info and sometimes they'll ask to join even if there are no "openings". ;) If they don't watch demos I'm not sure they will be very good members.
In the beginning this is how it was done, either this way or a friend knew a friend that was good. Sometimes you'd just let a friend in the group knowing he was bad, and he became good. The problem I think is finding someone good who's already a scener and not in a group already, I don't know if any amount of advertising on top of that is going to solve it. Better to "expand" the scene instead, ask a workmate, school mate or a drinking buddy. Create an interesting project and post on eg. CGSociety, gamedev or other forum maybe.
In the beginning this is how it was done, either this way or a friend knew a friend that was good. Sometimes you'd just let a friend in the group knowing he was bad, and he became good. The problem I think is finding someone good who's already a scener and not in a group already, I don't know if any amount of advertising on top of that is going to solve it. Better to "expand" the scene instead, ask a workmate, school mate or a drinking buddy. Create an interesting project and post on eg. CGSociety, gamedev or other forum maybe.
Times changed. even we old farts had to face it (and yeah pouetizens know how hard it was for me facing that pouet for instance is no diskmag).
The only and easiest way is just to do what you can do best.
Then go to a major demoparty to release your stuff and add release comment like "looking for a group" or similar.
when you are social absolutely distorted, this is kinda hard - i agree.
I helped many sceners during the last years to get connected to the scene.
And i know noone who wouldnt do either.
the good thing in going to major parties is just to check out "who is who" and then go straight ahead and easily ask. When you offer a beer it raises ofcourse the sympathy.
this so called "eliteness / arrogance" is so much not existant anymore, that the scene itself (imho) welcomes every newcomer with open arms.
best example is KNOEKI for a single person wanting to get into scene:
a few years ago, he knew noone and noone knew him. His coding skills are still developing and he is very young at age- but hes connected because he went to so many small parties and ofcourse he visited breakpoint and went to everyone HE wanted to meet.
Stepped by, asked if someone could answer a few questions - and later on he partied around with almost everyone.
example for an newcoming group is Blueflame and the guy called XTr1m.
Noone knew the group, and XTr1m just popped up here and there shaked some hands. Blueflame is highly skilled - delivered at a major party - and boom - there they are.
The problem is imho not the fact when exactly the scene accepts a scener to be part of it - its the scener himself who has to decide if hes part of it.
But it stands and falls with visiting a party and show balls by just go to a scener and ask the questions you want to be answered.
Pouet cant help, Hugi cant help, IRC helps a bit - but a beer is really the easiest way to get connected.
(or just brew a good salmiaki and go to Nosfe or KB and share it - you will be adopted for sure)
Scene is not only consisting of code, sfx anf gfx...there are so many important things besides that which completes the whole thing.
The only and easiest way is just to do what you can do best.
Then go to a major demoparty to release your stuff and add release comment like "looking for a group" or similar.
when you are social absolutely distorted, this is kinda hard - i agree.
I helped many sceners during the last years to get connected to the scene.
And i know noone who wouldnt do either.
the good thing in going to major parties is just to check out "who is who" and then go straight ahead and easily ask. When you offer a beer it raises ofcourse the sympathy.
this so called "eliteness / arrogance" is so much not existant anymore, that the scene itself (imho) welcomes every newcomer with open arms.
best example is KNOEKI for a single person wanting to get into scene:
a few years ago, he knew noone and noone knew him. His coding skills are still developing and he is very young at age- but hes connected because he went to so many small parties and ofcourse he visited breakpoint and went to everyone HE wanted to meet.
Stepped by, asked if someone could answer a few questions - and later on he partied around with almost everyone.
example for an newcoming group is Blueflame and the guy called XTr1m.
Noone knew the group, and XTr1m just popped up here and there shaked some hands. Blueflame is highly skilled - delivered at a major party - and boom - there they are.
The problem is imho not the fact when exactly the scene accepts a scener to be part of it - its the scener himself who has to decide if hes part of it.
But it stands and falls with visiting a party and show balls by just go to a scener and ask the questions you want to be answered.
Pouet cant help, Hugi cant help, IRC helps a bit - but a beer is really the easiest way to get connected.
(or just brew a good salmiaki and go to Nosfe or KB and share it - you will be adopted for sure)
Scene is not only consisting of code, sfx anf gfx...there are so many important things besides that which completes the whole thing.
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and for what do you need the ominous scene then?
you can do this wherever you want
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this to you before, but the "scene" doesn't exist in any real way. It's just a bunch of people with more or less similar interests.
Many people have tried to define the "scene", and I doubt there's ever a single definition everyone agrees on.
