Another UK Demoparty
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i agree....
Getting to the UK by road is also straightforward too - via the Eurotunnel through northern France. Nottingham is also easy to get to by road and it is possible to bypass London completely too, so no worries :)
@dotwaffle, you have my support and probably also the support from CiH if you need orgas to help out.
@dotwaffle, you have my support and probably also the support from CiH if you need orgas to help out.
For holy fuck's sake, he said:
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Not this year, two thousand and ten (2010), not last year (2009) - not even any of the other many years that have already happened or are yet to come.
dotwaffle - I've been thinking about this a lot since you first proposed it. Not least because I'd already been thinking about doing an early-summer semi-party thing in the UK; probably hiring a big house in the Lakes or something so that maybe ~20/30 people can get together and have a barbeque, set up a projector, have lots of drinks and a wee bit of lighthearted competitivity.
I mentioned it to ruairi some time ago, while chatting to him about the likelihood of Sundown continuing. Well, Sundown will definitely be on this year, and it'll hopefully be bigger than ever, but that's still only in the region of sixty people maximum.
Most of what some people have said so far, particularly Smash, is spot on. I'm a little saddened by the unimaginative perception some people have of travelling to the UK, especially considering what a grotesque pain in the cock it can be to get trains across Europe or connect between, for instance, awkward areas of Scandinavia that happen not to be well-served by roads, cost-effective trains or air links (and which in any case are vast distances apart).
It's pretty obvious that demopartying in the UK can only ever be a paradigm shift from the "let's throw all our CRTs in a camper van and booze our way across half a continent, covering thousands of miles and having to take extra time off work" endeavour that characterises most continental parties. It's also pretty obvious to anyone with even half a wit that most parts of the UK - SE, SW, NE, Scotland - are amazingly easy and cheap to fly to, even if it means you have to take a laptop instead of your entire fucking bedroom, complete with flashing neon casefans and christmas-tree lights.
I suppose going to a UK demoparty is a bit like guerrilla partyfare: you travel light, you buy the booze you need when you arrive, you do the job and get in and out quickly. But the UK's around an hour or two away from pretty much every high-scener-population hotspot in Europe. I'm in the North East, in Newcastle, and when I went to LCP in Malmo last year, my trip was 2.5 hours door to fucking door, including the train from Copenhagen airport.
People make all these specious comparisons, presumably since humanity is fated to compare apples and oranges whenever it connects to the internet. Subscribing to the possibility that the type of party waffle describes *could exist* is not mutually exclusive to believing that you prefer to do a roadtrip to a continental party. Fuck, I'd love to be able to drive to a European party - it frustrates me not being able to bring as much crap as I'd like when flying.
But come on: if the reason you give when saying you'd never bother going to a UK party (and, it is inferred, speaking on behalf of all other European sceners to the same effect) is that "it's hard to get to"...that's just stupid. It's like saying a desktop computer is better than a laptop. The only person I'll accept that argument from is somebody who lives in Bingen and is able to walk to the rundesportshalle every easter with a shopping trolley full of booze and TFTs.
Anyway, back to dotwaffle: I agree with Smash, as well as Rowley Birkin, who I think was the one who mentioned the benevolent dictatorship. Also remember that Breakpoint is a fantastic model, but it's a fantastic model for a party happening in a town with a big and available sportshall, run by a guy like Scamp, riding on a strong and well-deserved reputation, situated reasonably conveniently in mid-western Germany...in other words, it's a fantastic model for Breakpoint.
Unless I'm getting my facts confused, I believe Breakpoint arose in place of Mekka/Symposium, so it already had a scener-base who needed a party to go to over the Easter weekend. I don't want to speak for rc55, but if he does plan to make changes to Sundown from 2011 onwards, then perhaps continuing Sundown with an adjusted focus would be the best way of achieving what you want in the (very) long term. I'm just really conscious that it's impossible to arrange the perfect environment, location, networking, facilities, resources for a demoparty and then expect the demosceners to fall into place: relying on sceners without any hard-won momentum that they themselves are helpless to resist (which is presumably why people continue to attend ASM ;) is a dangerous game indeed...because we're so unreliable :)
Felice's offer of help is a great example of how, with its strong (though small) platform-specific scenes, the UK can start to consolidate some niche interests into widespread support for a single big party. It'll take time, but ultimately the UK could become the focal point for a whole load of stuff that isn't given enough attention elsewhere: Atari (shared with .nl parties), Spectrum, BBC Micro, various other oldschool platforms which often only see the light of day at Sundown, certain types of tracked/synthtracked music compos which don't happen anywhere else, as well as newschool stuff across the board.
I don't think the UK can ever have a 'Breakpoint', but nor do I think it's necessary when other people are doing those sorts of parties already. The UK's days of big parties (Magnetic Fields, Digital Symposium, etc) are far behind it, so the most realistic and workable thing is probably to specialise; find gaps in the market and cater for stuff that other parties don't. It's horrible to talk so commercially about something like this, but it's necessary - otherwise people lose money and waste effort and everybody's unhappy.
So in the short term, I echo smash's advice: I don't think you'll get 100 people, this year or next year, but aim for 60 in a nice, comfortable, ~100-capacity room :) Add value to the partygoing experience year on year, organically, and any funds you can raise would be much more usefully spent on such efforts than on a risky big thing that might not be well attended.
Great that we're all discussing this issue, though! :)
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Not this year, two thousand and ten (2010), not last year (2009) - not even any of the other many years that have already happened or are yet to come.
dotwaffle - I've been thinking about this a lot since you first proposed it. Not least because I'd already been thinking about doing an early-summer semi-party thing in the UK; probably hiring a big house in the Lakes or something so that maybe ~20/30 people can get together and have a barbeque, set up a projector, have lots of drinks and a wee bit of lighthearted competitivity.
I mentioned it to ruairi some time ago, while chatting to him about the likelihood of Sundown continuing. Well, Sundown will definitely be on this year, and it'll hopefully be bigger than ever, but that's still only in the region of sixty people maximum.
Most of what some people have said so far, particularly Smash, is spot on. I'm a little saddened by the unimaginative perception some people have of travelling to the UK, especially considering what a grotesque pain in the cock it can be to get trains across Europe or connect between, for instance, awkward areas of Scandinavia that happen not to be well-served by roads, cost-effective trains or air links (and which in any case are vast distances apart).
It's pretty obvious that demopartying in the UK can only ever be a paradigm shift from the "let's throw all our CRTs in a camper van and booze our way across half a continent, covering thousands of miles and having to take extra time off work" endeavour that characterises most continental parties. It's also pretty obvious to anyone with even half a wit that most parts of the UK - SE, SW, NE, Scotland - are amazingly easy and cheap to fly to, even if it means you have to take a laptop instead of your entire fucking bedroom, complete with flashing neon casefans and christmas-tree lights.
I suppose going to a UK demoparty is a bit like guerrilla partyfare: you travel light, you buy the booze you need when you arrive, you do the job and get in and out quickly. But the UK's around an hour or two away from pretty much every high-scener-population hotspot in Europe. I'm in the North East, in Newcastle, and when I went to LCP in Malmo last year, my trip was 2.5 hours door to fucking door, including the train from Copenhagen airport.
People make all these specious comparisons, presumably since humanity is fated to compare apples and oranges whenever it connects to the internet. Subscribing to the possibility that the type of party waffle describes *could exist* is not mutually exclusive to believing that you prefer to do a roadtrip to a continental party. Fuck, I'd love to be able to drive to a European party - it frustrates me not being able to bring as much crap as I'd like when flying.
But come on: if the reason you give when saying you'd never bother going to a UK party (and, it is inferred, speaking on behalf of all other European sceners to the same effect) is that "it's hard to get to"...that's just stupid. It's like saying a desktop computer is better than a laptop. The only person I'll accept that argument from is somebody who lives in Bingen and is able to walk to the rundesportshalle every easter with a shopping trolley full of booze and TFTs.
Anyway, back to dotwaffle: I agree with Smash, as well as Rowley Birkin, who I think was the one who mentioned the benevolent dictatorship. Also remember that Breakpoint is a fantastic model, but it's a fantastic model for a party happening in a town with a big and available sportshall, run by a guy like Scamp, riding on a strong and well-deserved reputation, situated reasonably conveniently in mid-western Germany...in other words, it's a fantastic model for Breakpoint.
Unless I'm getting my facts confused, I believe Breakpoint arose in place of Mekka/Symposium, so it already had a scener-base who needed a party to go to over the Easter weekend. I don't want to speak for rc55, but if he does plan to make changes to Sundown from 2011 onwards, then perhaps continuing Sundown with an adjusted focus would be the best way of achieving what you want in the (very) long term. I'm just really conscious that it's impossible to arrange the perfect environment, location, networking, facilities, resources for a demoparty and then expect the demosceners to fall into place: relying on sceners without any hard-won momentum that they themselves are helpless to resist (which is presumably why people continue to attend ASM ;) is a dangerous game indeed...because we're so unreliable :)
Felice's offer of help is a great example of how, with its strong (though small) platform-specific scenes, the UK can start to consolidate some niche interests into widespread support for a single big party. It'll take time, but ultimately the UK could become the focal point for a whole load of stuff that isn't given enough attention elsewhere: Atari (shared with .nl parties), Spectrum, BBC Micro, various other oldschool platforms which often only see the light of day at Sundown, certain types of tracked/synthtracked music compos which don't happen anywhere else, as well as newschool stuff across the board.
I don't think the UK can ever have a 'Breakpoint', but nor do I think it's necessary when other people are doing those sorts of parties already. The UK's days of big parties (Magnetic Fields, Digital Symposium, etc) are far behind it, so the most realistic and workable thing is probably to specialise; find gaps in the market and cater for stuff that other parties don't. It's horrible to talk so commercially about something like this, but it's necessary - otherwise people lose money and waste effort and everybody's unhappy.
So in the short term, I echo smash's advice: I don't think you'll get 100 people, this year or next year, but aim for 60 in a nice, comfortable, ~100-capacity room :) Add value to the partygoing experience year on year, organically, and any funds you can raise would be much more usefully spent on such efforts than on a risky big thing that might not be well attended.
Great that we're all discussing this issue, though! :)
Navis: actually, one of the biggest problems I've come across in my research is getting insurance to have been sleeping in venues overnight. Even with (often especially with) free venues. I'm sure that's one of very many bureaucratic problems waffle will run up against; I know rc55 has to physically, personally be in the Budleigh partyplace for the entire weekend so as not to void the insurance policy.
I wanted to do one at the place I worked - mainly because of the massive HD cinema projector/screen and EAW p.a. system - but the red tape was fucking epic. Depressingly epic. I'd hate waffle to go through all of that if a large attendance couldn't be guaranteed.
I wanted to do one at the place I worked - mainly because of the massive HD cinema projector/screen and EAW p.a. system - but the red tape was fucking epic. Depressingly epic. I'd hate waffle to go through all of that if a large attendance couldn't be guaranteed.
I would love a party in the UK. It is a shame they killed the Norfolk Line (boatline) which boarded my own city. If I have the time and funds to attend, I will be present, hopefully with a release.
But on the practical point, I have been organising & helping (non demo)parties and festivals for over a decade, and I second Smash and Syphus.
I just recently celebrated my 30th birthday-party, in a venue with a capacity of max ~200 people. Not that I was aiming for more then 20. Directly after the first 20 people showed up I had my target and considered it a success, willing to take the financial pain if those were to be my only visitors. 190 people showed up, w00t ! All costs covered. It doens't allways work out this way :
A friend of mine once organised a party back in 1999 : lights, good dj's, big venue, free busses from and to the station, the works. All 30 people enjoyed it a lot ! To this day it is still unclear what went wrong. Our guess was the dj's couldn't pull in enough people, they weren't that known outside the specific scene in which they had their fame.
A year ago another friend of mine gave a party in Rotterdam, counting on a massive fanbase in The Hague, till the trains dropped out and the weather became nasty. Oops.
Several months ago I worked at a large hardstyle-party where they closed one area : because of the heath everyone went to the beach and spent their nights nearby the sea. Unfortunatly this party was in the city centre, and people just couldn't be bothered to travel 30 minutes.
Two weeks ago a good friend of mine had the venue-staff pull the plug around 2.00 because the only 5 visitors were those on the guest-list, while the last 15 or so parties he did were an outstanding succes. My guess was it had to do with the reputation of the venue (mostly empty & far away) and the fact this was his first party in a new city. No one knows.
Organising an event is inviting pure chaos and hoping for the best. You have no guarantees what so ever and even big names have occaisonal setbacks. Unless the name of your party is known all over the world you can't be sure enough people are going to show up to cover your expenses. It is pure madness to organise an event for 300 sceners, no matter which country. Building a solid, trusted reputation takes years : there is no shortcut here.
Even if you get tons of government funding it would be a shame to have capacity for 300 if about 30 show up. Nothing more depressing than loads of empty chairs in front of the bigscreen. As a matter of fact, it is proffesional etiquette to remove those so the audience doens't notice :)
So yeah, start small, aim for 30 people and work your way up to the top.
If the venue supports more people than you're aiming for that is a large plus, so have additional tables, chairs and network gear nearby, but don't rent them, Cut a deal and demand instant service if you do need them.
In the worst case bribe them with money, that usually works.
See you at the demopaty-organising workshop at Breakpoint !
But on the practical point, I have been organising & helping (non demo)parties and festivals for over a decade, and I second Smash and Syphus.
I just recently celebrated my 30th birthday-party, in a venue with a capacity of max ~200 people. Not that I was aiming for more then 20. Directly after the first 20 people showed up I had my target and considered it a success, willing to take the financial pain if those were to be my only visitors. 190 people showed up, w00t ! All costs covered. It doens't allways work out this way :
A friend of mine once organised a party back in 1999 : lights, good dj's, big venue, free busses from and to the station, the works. All 30 people enjoyed it a lot ! To this day it is still unclear what went wrong. Our guess was the dj's couldn't pull in enough people, they weren't that known outside the specific scene in which they had their fame.
A year ago another friend of mine gave a party in Rotterdam, counting on a massive fanbase in The Hague, till the trains dropped out and the weather became nasty. Oops.
Several months ago I worked at a large hardstyle-party where they closed one area : because of the heath everyone went to the beach and spent their nights nearby the sea. Unfortunatly this party was in the city centre, and people just couldn't be bothered to travel 30 minutes.
Two weeks ago a good friend of mine had the venue-staff pull the plug around 2.00 because the only 5 visitors were those on the guest-list, while the last 15 or so parties he did were an outstanding succes. My guess was it had to do with the reputation of the venue (mostly empty & far away) and the fact this was his first party in a new city. No one knows.
Organising an event is inviting pure chaos and hoping for the best. You have no guarantees what so ever and even big names have occaisonal setbacks. Unless the name of your party is known all over the world you can't be sure enough people are going to show up to cover your expenses. It is pure madness to organise an event for 300 sceners, no matter which country. Building a solid, trusted reputation takes years : there is no shortcut here.
Even if you get tons of government funding it would be a shame to have capacity for 300 if about 30 show up. Nothing more depressing than loads of empty chairs in front of the bigscreen. As a matter of fact, it is proffesional etiquette to remove those so the audience doens't notice :)
So yeah, start small, aim for 30 people and work your way up to the top.
If the venue supports more people than you're aiming for that is a large plus, so have additional tables, chairs and network gear nearby, but don't rent them, Cut a deal and demand instant service if you do need them.
In the worst case bribe them with money, that usually works.
See you at the demopaty-organising workshop at Breakpoint !
wow, syphus and numtek - you just dared optimus to a rant! :)
Few points:
- It's definitely a good thing you're planning this early.
- When planning an Easter party, consider that there's probably going to be a TG and likely something happening in Germany at the same time
- Getting visitors may be tricky, as noted in many posts - if you're aiming for anything larger than 100 visitors, doing co-operation with some other scenes or computer / art related communities is not a bad idea. E.g. the State of the Art parties in the past were a part of wider art festival in Lille and having "outside" visitors didn't diminish the party feeling, on the contrary it made the whole experience more lively. Same with Altparty in Finland - even if there are people who argue it's getting too far away from the demoscene focus, Altparty is doing well and attracting people from other alternative scenes.
In any case, I too would advice starting small and see how things go after the first edition.
- It's definitely a good thing you're planning this early.
- When planning an Easter party, consider that there's probably going to be a TG and likely something happening in Germany at the same time
- Getting visitors may be tricky, as noted in many posts - if you're aiming for anything larger than 100 visitors, doing co-operation with some other scenes or computer / art related communities is not a bad idea. E.g. the State of the Art parties in the past were a part of wider art festival in Lille and having "outside" visitors didn't diminish the party feeling, on the contrary it made the whole experience more lively. Same with Altparty in Finland - even if there are people who argue it's getting too far away from the demoscene focus, Altparty is doing well and attracting people from other alternative scenes.
In any case, I too would advice starting small and see how things go after the first edition.
If I did abandon the whole "big" party idea (200-500 people) and went for a Sundown-sized party, there's little reason not to just leave it to rc55 who does a fantastic job.
What spurred me on this thought was "breakpoint is ending, wouldn't it be great if the UK could pick up where it left off". Unfortunately, I'm getting the vibe that while there are lots of people coming to me and saying "I would definitely attend, it would be fantastic!" I'm probably only looking at 50 people, of which half would be international sceners.
If I can genuinely see interest, I'm definitely running forward with what I'm calling "Sunrise", but as other rightly point out, there was a massive dearth left behind by M&S, which Breakpoint filled. There just isn't the crowd to warrant a UK Breakpoint, it seems :(
What spurred me on this thought was "breakpoint is ending, wouldn't it be great if the UK could pick up where it left off". Unfortunately, I'm getting the vibe that while there are lots of people coming to me and saying "I would definitely attend, it would be fantastic!" I'm probably only looking at 50 people, of which half would be international sceners.
If I can genuinely see interest, I'm definitely running forward with what I'm calling "Sunrise", but as other rightly point out, there was a massive dearth left behind by M&S, which Breakpoint filled. There just isn't the crowd to warrant a UK Breakpoint, it seems :(
Well, I've done a lot of thinking and I best just spout this out in bullet points.
- Sundown's peak visitor count was around 92 for 2009.
- While I think it's great to see enthusiasm for a Breakpoint replacement, I definitely don't think the UK is the place for it, people just wont come in hordes to a newly established party. Syphus was right about the road-trip mentality of European mainland sceners - such coolness cannot be done at a UK party.
- Do not underestimate the administrative work involved with running a party, both before, during and after. If you work full time in a stressful job, I would strongly advise against it.
- With Sundown, I've been very lucky to find a council liberal / ignorant to what we do. I've tried other places, the red tape involved is incredibly frustrating.
- Diluting interests by introducing gaming alienates sceners, I've always had very strong negative reactions at this suggestion.
- I've taken on a lot of the organising work myself because people in general are pretty lazy. The biggest issue for me is something I call the "brick wall of motivation", where people are happy to help you up to a point, then they stop suddenly or walk off half way through. Or they just are offended that you've asked them to do such a menial task. Or they are drunk. Or asleep. Or not in the hall, etc.
I think the reason you're getting a tepid reaction from the scene boils down to a few things.
- I really don't mean this personally but you need to be engaged with the UK demoscene on a daily basis. You need to be on IRC and participating constantly with the people who will be championing the party on your behalf because they are your genuine friends, not just acquaintances. The demoscene is mega social, you have to get socialising. If you can convince Smash to believe in your cause, he'll tell his friends on his tier of the meritocracy that is the scene. The same goes for anyone of influence. I was really lucky to have the support of Meaty and Smash with Sundown 2005 (Smash was fucking awesome, almost aggressive with his defence and promotion of Sundown!), and from there on in, it has been the core of the UK Scene that has guaranteed Sundown's continued success.
- To jump in with a new party assuming you're going to have an instant crowd is a bit foolhardy, the growth has to be organic like it has been for every other party. Start small, kick ass, more people come, iterate.
Anyway, there are just a few thoughts. I hope I haven't come across too harsh, I'm just battle weary. A successful party is one of the most rewarding things you can do, but it's mega mega stressful.
- Sundown's peak visitor count was around 92 for 2009.
- While I think it's great to see enthusiasm for a Breakpoint replacement, I definitely don't think the UK is the place for it, people just wont come in hordes to a newly established party. Syphus was right about the road-trip mentality of European mainland sceners - such coolness cannot be done at a UK party.
- Do not underestimate the administrative work involved with running a party, both before, during and after. If you work full time in a stressful job, I would strongly advise against it.
- With Sundown, I've been very lucky to find a council liberal / ignorant to what we do. I've tried other places, the red tape involved is incredibly frustrating.
- Diluting interests by introducing gaming alienates sceners, I've always had very strong negative reactions at this suggestion.
- I've taken on a lot of the organising work myself because people in general are pretty lazy. The biggest issue for me is something I call the "brick wall of motivation", where people are happy to help you up to a point, then they stop suddenly or walk off half way through. Or they just are offended that you've asked them to do such a menial task. Or they are drunk. Or asleep. Or not in the hall, etc.
I think the reason you're getting a tepid reaction from the scene boils down to a few things.
- I really don't mean this personally but you need to be engaged with the UK demoscene on a daily basis. You need to be on IRC and participating constantly with the people who will be championing the party on your behalf because they are your genuine friends, not just acquaintances. The demoscene is mega social, you have to get socialising. If you can convince Smash to believe in your cause, he'll tell his friends on his tier of the meritocracy that is the scene. The same goes for anyone of influence. I was really lucky to have the support of Meaty and Smash with Sundown 2005 (Smash was fucking awesome, almost aggressive with his defence and promotion of Sundown!), and from there on in, it has been the core of the UK Scene that has guaranteed Sundown's continued success.
- To jump in with a new party assuming you're going to have an instant crowd is a bit foolhardy, the growth has to be organic like it has been for every other party. Start small, kick ass, more people come, iterate.
Anyway, there are just a few thoughts. I hope I haven't come across too harsh, I'm just battle weary. A successful party is one of the most rewarding things you can do, but it's mega mega stressful.
Note: I didn't spot your reply, I just went back to the window and finished mine.
In regards to what you said, I'm thinking about taking a break for 2011, but I'm not committed to definitely /not/ doing a party for 2011.
Anyhow, come to SundownDemoparty2010! (3rd-5th September 2010). :D
In regards to what you said, I'm thinking about taking a break for 2011, but I'm not committed to definitely /not/ doing a party for 2011.
Anyhow, come to SundownDemoparty2010! (3rd-5th September 2010). :D
Yes! Do as he says people!
*cough* move sundown to april *cough*
What would be quite nice is moving Sundown to somewhere like Brighton - but none of us live down that way, so there goes that idea!
would be nice if we could get a bouncy castle at any party imho
Move sundown to bingen, and move easter to september?
I think there does need to be a decent party to fill the BP void next year. Whether enough people would attend a replacement in the UK though, I don't know. Evilpaul's suggestion makes some kind of sense - you'd get the attendance and reputation of the established party with the possibly large crowd of former bp attendees. The combination could be enough to push it into being a large international party. We could call it 'breakdown' too, as the orgas are likely to have one dealing with UK red tape :)
I think there does need to be a decent party to fill the BP void next year. Whether enough people would attend a replacement in the UK though, I don't know. Evilpaul's suggestion makes some kind of sense - you'd get the attendance and reputation of the established party with the possibly large crowd of former bp attendees. The combination could be enough to push it into being a large international party. We could call it 'breakdown' too, as the orgas are likely to have one dealing with UK red tape :)
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*cough* move sundown to april *cough*
Hmm. Food for thought that...
And isn't Breakdown a shit hot name?
Stuff you need for a demo party:
venue, insurance (if someone dies, it's your fault), access to food, bog roll, website, people who are prepared to go, good idea of what to charge for ticket price so there's something left over for prizes, tables, chairs, internet access, more bog roll, electricity, hype, compomachine, projector, beer, someone to clean up reed's vomit, invitro, kebab van, bog roll, hotels in vicinity, fray bentos pie, girls, bouncy castle, condoms, paracetamol, bog roll, security, and bog roll.
venue, insurance (if someone dies, it's your fault), access to food, bog roll, website, people who are prepared to go, good idea of what to charge for ticket price so there's something left over for prizes, tables, chairs, internet access, more bog roll, electricity, hype, compomachine, projector, beer, someone to clean up reed's vomit, invitro, kebab van, bog roll, hotels in vicinity, fray bentos pie, girls, bouncy castle, condoms, paracetamol, bog roll, security, and bog roll.
> insurance (if someone dies, it's your fault)
Most UK insurers include an exclusion clause about Parapete though, so that's one less thing to worry about.
Most UK insurers include an exclusion clause about Parapete though, so that's one less thing to worry about.
Sundown 2010 will include a competition called "Beat Pete to the Beat" where we duct tape Pete to a Dance Dance Revolution mat and stick the sensors onto his face, taped up arms and legs, and you stamp in time to the greatest demoscene hits by the likes of Little Bichard and Reed.
If you fall off, the next person carries on!
If you fall off, the next person carries on!
use all the duct tape you like.. pete will still come away from the party with everyone's bike.
and in meatys quiz, he will introduce "give pete the meat" round.. mmm.
ignore me, im just high on sugar after eating a bag of mini eggs! \o/
are sundown 2010 tickets on sale soon ? :)
I love sundown :D
I love sundown :D
