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I would say that Wikipedia has a lot more than $7.5million / €50k times users.

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zoom +1, and I don't really care about party coverage as long as mod or darklite makes a party vid ;-)

there's already a bunch of sites doing live video broadcasting, you can broadcast from the party place live from a mobile phone even these days. Youtube/vimeo/whatever covers the video hosting + streaming end. Building a site that brings these things together wouldn't be too hard, and would more or less be the same as dtv I think..

So really the question is what's the value to us of a dedicated site, and what's the value of the extras? Mod with a camera is great, but it's not really the same as a camera crew with a presenter.

What would it cost to send mod to every single demo party? :)

The same m0d who uses an empty peer can as a faux microphone. :D

you mean, what would m0d pay to go to every single demo party? :-)

i prefer okkie as host!

That's right, Maali, you prefer okkie as host.

His reports aren't that great. Need much more beer.

i prefer okkies voice as host. "boykneckt" heheheh

but he has the metapat emulator preinstalled!!!!

There are so much Hosters with Traffic-Flatrates...

Can't understand why your service cost 50.000$ ... Traffic overload ? Use Youtube as Plattform and create a D.TV Channel there and all your Problems are gone.. You can finaly link your videos in your site as Youtube Videos... Who care's finaly where the Videos hosted...Sure, thats a lot of work but that's a part what demosceners can do together for you... Good work for no money is maybe all what you can earn here.

Um, where? I would love to exactly the above but I'm *not* exactly made of money...

is it possible to search for pouet.net entries with youtube clips? :)

I hear people saying "just use YouTube", but isn't the entire point of DemosceneTV that it's

* higher quality, without compression artifacts all over the place
* timings intact
* demoscene specific functionailty

Who would want to watch a video of a demo if the quality is rubbish? Since YouTube post-processes whatever you upload there, it's inevitable that you lose *some* control.

try comparing
Heaven 7 on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCMo-bJQC8A
Heaven 7 on DTV http://demoscene.tv/page.php?id=172&lang=uk&vsmaction=view_prod&id_prod=4931

another example:

"Arla" on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/878548
Arla on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8rtpVt792I
(I uploaded those, the source video was completely without artifacts and timing issues before uploading).

I don't know if there's anything you can do to substantially improve quality of YouTube or Vimeo videos - anyone?

anyway.

I think it's totally reasonable that budgets should come out, if the project is going to be funded by donations/subscriptions - but I can't understand why everyone's getting so suspicious and pissy ("is this some kind of money making scheme") about the guys who've been running DTV for years now, most of them in their spare time.

apparently there's at least 1 paid employee, which makes part of the crowd reluctant to donate.

it's time to get rid of money once and for all

also, announcing this request for donations and the paid iphone VOD service at the same time rubs the wrong way.

maybe the iPhone app will become a more mainstream thing, bringing in enough cash to make donations irrelevant.

The iphone app seems to be nowhere near getting into the chart, so i really doubt that will happen. That tends to happen either when the app is released, or never :/

well how long has it been out? has it been promoted on some of the big tech aggregators like Engadget or some of the iPhone app sites?

me. I prefer youtube because it dl's faster and I can skip the boring parts.

It was released 30/12/09, so over a week ago. Most of the interest tends to come from the app store itself, and that's when it's on one of the charts, or it's in the 'latest released' section. That time has passed already.

Maybe a big push from a bunch of tech sites would help, think it's likely though?

Oh, just put demoscene tv into my iphone ranking tracking tool. Seems it did actually make ~70 at the moment in finland :) (It's not in the top 100 free entertainment apps anywhere else).

Yeah why not post the app on proggit, hacker news, slashdot and stuff ?
It may be controversal (OMG HQ streaming should be free because demos are free), so people will talk about it.

I find demoscene.tv does a great job at extending our audience, why being suspicious ? Nobody forced anyone to donate or buy an iphone app.

To be honest, it's not nice to find that your demo was uploaded on youtube by someone else with wrong timings, re-encoded visuals and nearly destroyed music ; at least demoscene.tv has quality standards.

Even vimeo HD and youtube 1080p videos won't make demoscene.tv redundant imho.