Demoscene and the general public
category: general [glöplog]
I wrote a fucking article now that god lost because of this php shit!! I'll make myself short for a change:
Batman: Internet didn't kill the demoscene. It merely changed it. The scene was always networked by BBS, snailmail and 'sneakernet'. Internet has just formalised and accellerated an already existing network.
Demos are magic. Not many people are wired to appreciate it. 15 years of demomaking have developled aesthetic conventions and technial skills far beyond most people.
I showed candytron to my university class. Many women were present and they decided, quote: "..was made by fat computer nerds that should go out and see real women".
kb, this is where you produce an evil and hollow laugh. I did.
p.s I shall never have a relationship with a woman that cannot appreciate and love candytron. It is one of those few productions that epitomise the meaning of 'demo' (technically an intro, but...=:).
Batman: Internet didn't kill the demoscene. It merely changed it. The scene was always networked by BBS, snailmail and 'sneakernet'. Internet has just formalised and accellerated an already existing network.
Demos are magic. Not many people are wired to appreciate it. 15 years of demomaking have developled aesthetic conventions and technial skills far beyond most people.
I showed candytron to my university class. Many women were present and they decided, quote: "..was made by fat computer nerds that should go out and see real women".
kb, this is where you produce an evil and hollow laugh. I did.
p.s I shall never have a relationship with a woman that cannot appreciate and love candytron. It is one of those few productions that epitomise the meaning of 'demo' (technically an intro, but...=:).
and this keyboard sucks wildly.
poor excuse, dominei^Masters!!!
Euroboy is in Masters, dominei is in inf, spaceballs and skim :D
well, the candytron girl does look more men's magazine than art gallery, but the intro was more about candy than fine art :)
dominei: you dont need a network like that to produce demos. that is actually my point.
you can invite your friends for a productive weekend at your own home. start coding, start partying together and make a demo like its meant to. cooperate together like that and you get more creative like this. then you and your friends can go out to a party and have fun, learn from other groups exchange ideas and stuff like that. i believe thats what real demoscene is all about, and not a crappy internet that only provides information.. mostly crappy information and crappy replies like the one youre reading now..
you can invite your friends for a productive weekend at your own home. start coding, start partying together and make a demo like its meant to. cooperate together like that and you get more creative like this. then you and your friends can go out to a party and have fun, learn from other groups exchange ideas and stuff like that. i believe thats what real demoscene is all about, and not a crappy internet that only provides information.. mostly crappy information and crappy replies like the one youre reading now..
Battie, your last sentence made sense :P
The very act of demomaking can be done in many ways, net-mediated or not. My point is that we wouldn't have been a scene in the first place if not for the fact that we are networked and indeed, have always been. Internet is a powerful technological manifestation of networking in general, it is only natural that we migrated over to that 'platform'. Snail, sneaker and bbs was really charming and we who remember it will always get sentimental when we talk about it. But that's just what it is; sentiment. Get over it :)
The very act of demomaking can be done in many ways, net-mediated or not. My point is that we wouldn't have been a scene in the first place if not for the fact that we are networked and indeed, have always been. Internet is a powerful technological manifestation of networking in general, it is only natural that we migrated over to that 'platform'. Snail, sneaker and bbs was really charming and we who remember it will always get sentimental when we talk about it. But that's just what it is; sentiment. Get over it :)
there are about tenpointsevenmillion definitions of what the scene is and i can agree with 99% of them. the one thing i can not agree with is people trying to tell others what the scene is .not.
was that a general reflection or did anyone say what the scene is .not. ? :)
Demos and the scene are indeed magic.
For non-sceners.
Anyone who has been involved with the scene for some time knows that there's no witchcraft involved in demomaking, and that the scene is just an excuse to travel around the world (well, Europe at least) and consume your preferred pleasures in the company of you equally fucked up peers.
Feel free to call me cynical ;)
For non-sceners.
Anyone who has been involved with the scene for some time knows that there's no witchcraft involved in demomaking, and that the scene is just an excuse to travel around the world (well, Europe at least) and consume your preferred pleasures in the company of you equally fucked up peers.
Feel free to call me cynical ;)
there is no witchcraft, you're right. But I'm a musician and I still feel the magic with music..and I know how babies are made, but sex is still magic :P
with the right woman, ofcourse :D there is a lot of very plain stuff to go around too. especially in rock clubs..i don't like rock clubs :)
Dominei, great. That means more for me.. I do like rock clubs and some of the girls you typically find there :)
Good :)
perhaps we need a split in the scene. There's actually an early-90's rave scene, for people who think the club/party scene lost its roots after those years, so why not an early-90s demoscene too? Unplug your net connections, roll out the bbses, dust of some old hardware and do it your way.
About the magic thing, i remember the magic of the old days, and all the incredible releases etc. But then you remember that stuff, you don't remember the million and one shit releases. Or maybe when we were swapping stuff on disk or bbs, only the quality releases were spread. Either way, i don't think theres any lack of magic nowadays.
About the magic thing, i remember the magic of the old days, and all the incredible releases etc. But then you remember that stuff, you don't remember the million and one shit releases. Or maybe when we were swapping stuff on disk or bbs, only the quality releases were spread. Either way, i don't think theres any lack of magic nowadays.
Batman: I understand what you are saying about the Internet "killing" the demoscene. With the rapid, free communications all over the globe, the scene is no longer as close-knit as before. In the old scene, I am sure that everyone knew everyone else in person. Now, we only know each other by nickname and pouet avatar.
On the other hand, I appreciate what the internet has done for the scene more than anyone. I live in California, USA. You can't get any farther from Europe without jumping into the Pacific ocean. On top of that, the demo group I belong to, the Northern Dragons, is in Canada. For me, the scene is the internet. I have never met a human demoscener in my life. Even so, I have had the wonderful opportunity to release two prods on my own and two more with the help of my group. The demoscene has changed my life in a very positive way, and this is possible only because of the internet.
Tomaes: Americans are much more up-tight about nudity than most other places in the world. You are right, Candytron does not go over well here. That stinks if you ask me, since Candytron is really a very tasetful production.
On the other hand, I appreciate what the internet has done for the scene more than anyone. I live in California, USA. You can't get any farther from Europe without jumping into the Pacific ocean. On top of that, the demo group I belong to, the Northern Dragons, is in Canada. For me, the scene is the internet. I have never met a human demoscener in my life. Even so, I have had the wonderful opportunity to release two prods on my own and two more with the help of my group. The demoscene has changed my life in a very positive way, and this is possible only because of the internet.
Tomaes: Americans are much more up-tight about nudity than most other places in the world. You are right, Candytron does not go over well here. That stinks if you ask me, since Candytron is really a very tasetful production.
psionice: I agree. There was magic then, there is magic now.
candytron, tasteful? I'm not sure if it is or not... Its like a demo equivalent of las vegas... But then its great quality too. Maybe it's tastelessness done in a tasteful way?
One of the things that used to be special about the demo-scene was that it was an internation community held thogether by people communicating with each other using computers. This was something fairly unique. That's not really the case today, and only be going back to mailswapping could be put the scene in such a unique position again (but reversed). Which would be fun for about a week.
Bah.
be = we.
be = we.
err.. I must still be drunk.
1:st be = by
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1:st be = by
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s_tec: why not come to breakpoint and meet some humans? :))
rumour has it some norwegians will also be there :P
I'm not sure how valid my point is on this as i'm more of a "normal person" looking in on the scene than a proper scener, but anyway...
I see the point about the scene becoming too big and open if it "goes public", and no none of us want that. I'd also hate to see demos being released as screensavers to people who have no idea what it's all about, and who can't appreciate them properly. If more of the "public" are going to apprecaite work that comes out of the scene, they need to know what the scene is all about, why sceners do what they do, and preferably they need to have at least a passing knowledge of computer graphics to really appreciate it. Also, they shouldn't try to participate in the scene if they can't contribute anything useful. People outside the scene can look in, hail sceners for their skills, watch prods, and leave it at that.
I'd like to see wider appreciation of demos, but not without people having some idea of what it's all about, and without wrecking the scene itself. Whether this could ever realistically happen is another thing.
I see the point about the scene becoming too big and open if it "goes public", and no none of us want that. I'd also hate to see demos being released as screensavers to people who have no idea what it's all about, and who can't appreciate them properly. If more of the "public" are going to apprecaite work that comes out of the scene, they need to know what the scene is all about, why sceners do what they do, and preferably they need to have at least a passing knowledge of computer graphics to really appreciate it. Also, they shouldn't try to participate in the scene if they can't contribute anything useful. People outside the scene can look in, hail sceners for their skills, watch prods, and leave it at that.
I'd like to see wider appreciation of demos, but not without people having some idea of what it's all about, and without wrecking the scene itself. Whether this could ever realistically happen is another thing.
I'd also hate to see demos being released as screensavers to people who have no idea what it's all about, and who can't appreciate them properly.
The problem is in the public, not in the demos...
The problem is in the public, not in the demos...