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I wonder why non-artists don't understand what it takes to produce art and often don't respect artists.

For example, I recently showed www.tascha.ch to some people not related to the demoscene and asked them: "Are you able to create something like this?" Nobody said they were, but they said things that showed that they did not consider Tascha's art anything special. For example, they said that her pictures are "cheesy" and that a lot of people are drawing things like this (and also that a lot of people are programming, which means that demos aren't anything special, etc.).

I really feel irritated. I myself have an inferiority complex when seeing ingenious artwork such as Tascha's because I know very well that I am not able to draw anything remotely close to the quality of her pictures. Why don't others feel the same?

Dunno, but looking at that site, I found the pictures impressive but definitely cheesy. Could I do that? No, or at least not without tons of training + practice. Would I want to? No, but I'd love to paint something interesting that well :)

I think really it's mostly taste.. if you like fantasy art, it's probably awesome. If not, it's just a bunch of well made but cheesy pics.

And btw, I suspect programmed art (and generally stuff involving programming + maths) is less popular than fantasy art, which is why the scene isn't hugely popular...

These people who say that it's cheesy / "nothing special": do they actually dislike her work, or is it just that it doesn't evoke any strong emotional response in them?

I ask this because maybe it's not an issue with the non-artists' opinions... it's about the view held by a certain section of the art community, that art is only good art if it evokes strong emotions. Which is bullshit - it's the reason that pickled sharks and dirty beds win awards and critical acclaim while this stuff goes ignored.

I've taken a look at her work, and as a non-artist, I reckon it's technically good, and I completely respect the talent that's involved in creating it. Cheesy? Maybe. Does that stop me from liking it? No. What's wrong with art just being "nice" sometimes?

besides, it can still be art even if others are able to replicate it / "create something like this".

so, what is art ? :)

if you ask me there's too much mistique and reverence about 'art' and being an 'artist', it's a choice

For me Art is the way to be differenciated from other way of lifeforms,
since photography appeared some efforts was necessary to be called 'art' if photo-realistic,
but now, to be an artist you need to fight versus the computer too.

Before it was human vs animals now its human vs animals & computers .
So well, to be an artist is not a choice, it's an interest that need mind involving a lot..
and much more than before ...

so, what is cheesy ?

What part of her work don't people understand? As i truly believe there's not much below the surface... Think your problem is more about appreciation.

(Beyond this.. Strictly taken, she's an illustrator/visualiser in my book.. Ofcourse she creates 'artwork', but for very applied purposes. Concept art for games != Conceptual art. Bottom line here would be 'what is art' but i didn't want to take it that far.)

those pictures are cheesy. and yeah, i'd also count her as illustrator not as an artist.


but well, i do think that in contemporary art it is a problem that most of the works are made so that they require way too much of understanding of the art history for understanding the pieces. which makes it so that quite a lot of works can only be understood if you're an artist/art historian or have been studying the subject a lot for some other reason.

with her work i think it's just a matter of whether you like cheesy fantasy illustrations or not.

What Nosfe said.

btw, the thread topic is misleading..

beuys rules.

i'd say that only mediocre artists are popular when they're alive ;)
history will not forget the true talents, even if no one understands them yet :)

I think it's very clear that Tascha's paintings aren't very evocative. As an artist I'm mightily impressed by the skill, but that's about it. Fantasy lady in generic pose? "Ok."

On the other hand at least it's not this: ;)

Why doesn't Okkie understand Sufjan Stevens :((((

doom: that's a great abstract painting

i prefer abstract paintings over cheesy paintings on any day.

discussion about abstract music in 10... 9... 8...

THE SOUNDTRACK OF CHIMERA IS ART!

THE SOUNDTRACK OF CHIMERA IS FART!

FART CAN BE ART IN SOME ELITE ART PLACES!

nosfe: which art piece need a historical approach to be understood ?

why *generalisation*? Followed by a personal experience as argumentation. Excellent going there sherlock, i demand your mensa resignation on my desk yesterday!

doom, pff, THIS is real art:



(MOAR)

to be honest I think it is, and it is a beautiful art.

Yeah, you have to force yourself, or at least pretend, to "get it". And don't under any circumstances suggest that the modern art community is little more than a self-congratulatory bunch of hacks. You're probably the only one who thinks the emperor is naked. Best just play along, right?

ZOMG flamebait! My work here is done! 8)