Pirate Bay trial
category: general [glöplog]
A way to look at it is like TPB is opening the fault for some1 to take whats in it..
you better warez a dictionary!
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THEY WANT MONEY FOR THEIR HARD WORK. EVIL EVIL PEOPLE!"
I did my part - I bought a TPB t-shirt.
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks.ars
Yes, it can. People aren't buying your shitty albums anymore, they don't want to pay a premium for fillers and shit-tracks - they just buy the two-three good tracks on each "CD", which is why revenue is down. I just hate it when people insist that "they money we used to make" is somehow the baseline for the money they are supposed to make now. Fucking idiots, which makes being a musician much harder than it has to be.
Do you think that TONO/ASCAP etc. are protecting artists? Hah!
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Those who download illegal copies of music over P2P networks are the biggest consumers of legal music options, according to a new study by the BI Norwegian School of Management. Researchers examined the music downloading habits of more than 1,900 Internet users over the age of 15, and found that illegal music connoisseurs are significantly more likely to purchase music than the average, non-P2P-loving user.
Unsurprisingly, BI found that those between 15 and 20 are more likely to buy music via paid download than on a physical CD, though most still purchased at least one CD in the last six months. However, when it comes to P2P, it seems that those who wave the pirate flag are the most click-happy on services like the iTunes Store and Amazon MP3. BI said that those who said they download illegal music for "free" bought ten times as much legal music as those who never download music illegally. "The most surprising is that the proportion of paid download is so high," the Google-translated Audun Molde from the Norwegian School of Management told Aftenposten.
Record label EMI doesn't quite buy into BI's stats, though. EMI's Bjørn Rogstad told Aftenposten that the results make it seem like free downloads stimulate pay downloads, but there's no way to know for sure. "There is one thing we are not going away, and it is the consumption of music increases, while revenue declines. It can not be explained in any way other than that the illegal downloading is over the legal sale of music," Rogstad said.
Yes, it can. People aren't buying your shitty albums anymore, they don't want to pay a premium for fillers and shit-tracks - they just buy the two-three good tracks on each "CD", which is why revenue is down. I just hate it when people insist that "they money we used to make" is somehow the baseline for the money they are supposed to make now. Fucking idiots, which makes being a musician much harder than it has to be.
Do you think that TONO/ASCAP etc. are protecting artists? Hah!
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4733715/All_about_the_spectrial_(THIS_ONE_WORKS___)
dubmood: actually it prety much was. i do believe a tracker is compare to a search engine with cache (read google). and the point i said before and that other have elsewhere is that google can find prety much everything, especially illegal material. it also shows them in google images and/or let them be downloadable thro their cache. not everything is mp3s and avi's.
Yay! Good news.
And what about USA? Do they have such kind of a law or not? Because many Russian modern law initiations are taken from USA practice and I wonder what to await in Russia in this regard.
I'm waiting for their servers to go to sea in international waters so that they can be raided by REAL pirates from Somalia.
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Well, that doesn't work either ... Example from real life: A certain Danish c64-cover band wanted the royalties to go to the composers instead of the general fund-box - Martin Galway, Rub Hubbard and Ben Dagliesh certainly never saw any cash. At least in Denmark, small local radio stations pay their fee based on one day's airplay every half a year (or that was the way it was at least).
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Do you think that TONO/ASCAP etc. are protecting artists? Hah!
You are absolutley right, and I never said it worked. In practice the most of the funds collected by APRA/AMCOS etc. end up going mainly to Sony, Virgin, etc.. Because they only ask SOME of the liscence holders to complete the survey SOMETIMES.
I know a few business owners & organization managers who have paid the APRA liscence. But I don't know any who have been required to keep detailed records or completed one of these survey's referred to in APRA's statements.
One could argue that copyright is not about protecting the rights of the artists, but protecting the rights of the agents responsible for distributing their work.
I think the record labels and radio stations say it won't work, because over the internet it would be easy to see exactly which tracks had been downloaded by checking ISP records. And independently published artists would be getting money which used to go major labels.
if copyright is about protecting the rights of the agents responsible for distribution, whom we now do not need as technology takes care of distribution, then we should omit copyright at all.
major publishers simply agonize over the fact that their services are really not needed anymore and in their agony they are very dangerous.
major publishers simply agonize over the fact that their services are really not needed anymore and in their agony they are very dangerous.
anakirob: I was signed to a professional label for two years. I thought it would be awesome, but it was a fucking nightmare.
And now it turns out that the judge on this case is on the board of the swedish association for industrial legal protection, as well as being a member of the swedish association for copyright. The judge himself fails to see any conflict of interest.. no shit.
That doesn't make the TPB guys any less childish, but it makes you wonder how the hell they can overlook something like that when appointing him to the case.
That doesn't make the TPB guys any less childish, but it makes you wonder how the hell they can overlook something like that when appointing him to the case.
gloom: really? what was so bad about it? I was once signed to a label and my experience basically got limited to them never getting back to me after I signed the contract and they started selling two of my tracks on beatport.
Louigi Verona: wouldn't you consider that as a bad experience?
so have the pirate bay dudes been locked up yet?
No, but hopefully the judge will be soon. He turned out to have a lot of connections with the copyright industry.
LiraNuna: yes, but not a nightmare.
all you guys ranting about how bad labels are is pretty childish. I mean afaik none of you are selling alot of albums, nor touring alot or living of music (exept for maybe gamemusic composers etc?) so what do you exepct a label to be? Some sort of red cross for musicians? I mean even a major label doesnt need to be bad if you know what you want and know what you are doing. Labels are there to make money for them, not for you, you can make money of them but it wount happen if you think in termes of the old recorddeal dream cliche and then getting fucked and acting victim crying on the internet about it to other musicans who never sold a cd in their life wich in the end makes their view of the record industry even more fundamentalistic than yours. I mean, when you sign to a label you basicly give them your music and just get to keep a small percentage of royalties so ofcource they defend THEIR property. This is capitalism. If you are not ok with it then make your own label or give away your music for free and find another way to pay ppl to work for you to promote your music so you can get concerts and get your songs on the radio and tv so you can get SACEM/STIM/SGAE whatever royalties and actually see some money from your work. I know its possible because there are tons of artists doing that. The only difference is that you need a product thats actualy good instead of just forcing crap on ppl as major labels do. So if you got that good product then get to work but please stop crying about the evil recordindustry on the internet cause ive heard it for 10 years and its getting so god damn boooring.
another thing that ppl seems to forget in this discussion is that labels doesnt only distribute your music. Do you know why artists on major labels get so much more money in the end) (not from record sales though =) )
its because of publishers and promoters, putting your music on radio, tv, in films etc, its a big fucking nasty work and even though they usually take like 80% of the income it brings 10 times more money to you than the record sales. Selling music, even legally, has never been the principal income for any label afaik and everyone is just focusing on debating that. Forget about it ffs.
Then we have all the practical work with studios, engineers, recording, mixing, mastering, byrocracy, papers papers papers. I mean yes everyone can make good-sounding productions in their bedroom thanks to todays technology, protools, cubase, ableton and a good set of VSTs would cost you 8000e but is avalible for free on thepiratebay (god bless the internet). But still there is a big difference when you record your stuff in a real studio with millions of euros in equipment and with engineers that got 30-40 years of experience with this kind of work. The label pays for this, and I sure cant see you being able to afford the same. If all future music was bedroom productions we would loose alot of quality thats sure.
now, dont get me wrong. I am and have always pro-piracy and against copyright-bureaus and lobbygroups closing down internet and making 1984 laws just to defend their interests. But there is a much bigger problem behind all this, the question of how to make money on music, not only for the artist but also the labels and entitys behind them that are actually needed. So its very sad to just block the discussion on a question about defending or not defending an oldfashion way of distributing music. And about thepiratebay, think about it, whos making money on distributing your music now? Even though they like to lie about it, thepiratebay is making millions on ads and merch (and putting it in tax-paradises) when distributing your music and you aint getting a penny from it. So whats the difference between thepiratebay and Warner/EMI/Universal? Please tell me. I want to know.
another thing that ppl seems to forget in this discussion is that labels doesnt only distribute your music. Do you know why artists on major labels get so much more money in the end) (not from record sales though =) )
its because of publishers and promoters, putting your music on radio, tv, in films etc, its a big fucking nasty work and even though they usually take like 80% of the income it brings 10 times more money to you than the record sales. Selling music, even legally, has never been the principal income for any label afaik and everyone is just focusing on debating that. Forget about it ffs.
Then we have all the practical work with studios, engineers, recording, mixing, mastering, byrocracy, papers papers papers. I mean yes everyone can make good-sounding productions in their bedroom thanks to todays technology, protools, cubase, ableton and a good set of VSTs would cost you 8000e but is avalible for free on thepiratebay (god bless the internet). But still there is a big difference when you record your stuff in a real studio with millions of euros in equipment and with engineers that got 30-40 years of experience with this kind of work. The label pays for this, and I sure cant see you being able to afford the same. If all future music was bedroom productions we would loose alot of quality thats sure.
now, dont get me wrong. I am and have always pro-piracy and against copyright-bureaus and lobbygroups closing down internet and making 1984 laws just to defend their interests. But there is a much bigger problem behind all this, the question of how to make money on music, not only for the artist but also the labels and entitys behind them that are actually needed. So its very sad to just block the discussion on a question about defending or not defending an oldfashion way of distributing music. And about thepiratebay, think about it, whos making money on distributing your music now? Even though they like to lie about it, thepiratebay is making millions on ads and merch (and putting it in tax-paradises) when distributing your music and you aint getting a penny from it. So whats the difference between thepiratebay and Warner/EMI/Universal? Please tell me. I want to know.
Nice rant dubmood, had a bad nights sleep or what? :)
As for major record labels generating huge amount of money for artists (sure, a handful of them might actually get filthy rich, at least for some period of time) Courtney Love had this to say: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/print.html
Whatever opinion one has of her as a person you can't really deny that she has experience from this business.
Whatever opinion one has of her as a person you can't really deny that she has experience from this business.
comon thats a 9 year old article. june 2000, there was still napster or what? =)
The article is also about record labels, and alternative ways of distributing music and interacting with fans.
The major record labels still exist 9 years later and doesn't seem to see much reason to change.
The major record labels still exist 9 years later and doesn't seem to see much reason to change.
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but please stop crying about the evil recordindustry on the internet cause ive heard it for 10 years and its getting so god damn boooring.
so are you, but there you are!
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not only for the artist but also the labels and entitys behind them that are actually needed
no they are not, not at all. They are a leech on other peoples creativity and nothing else. A bloodsucker, a vampire...getting through here?
At a point in my life i was offered an MOS contract, when i saw the first (of its 40 or so) pages i just laughed and and told them to go fuck themselfes. Another freind of mine had a different approach, he took the contract and went on to release a relatively large hit and went further on to become indepted by the experience. How that happened is beyond me, but they got his music for free and they got to keep all the money it made and it was all legal. Regardless of his succes with DJ and audiences the label just 3rd railed him for the duration of the contract when he started to make noise over the "deal", meaning that he could not sigh with other labels and the label he signed to did not give a shit about him because he demanded things....like money....as soon as the first pride from being selected by a label goes over, reality kicks, and what a reality. As i have said before, the "rights" of these behemoth contructions makes me go sub zero cold. I give less of a shit for their capitalist rights than they give for their artists, and thats not a lot.
Roadrunner (a metal label) used to get away with 95/5 contracts when metal was teh shiznizz. yes, that means 95% to the label and 5% to the artists after the ARTIST has payed all expenses. This is what leaves artists with huge succes like beyonce indepted. How the fuck can an artists like beyonce be indepted unless she is the spending whore of hell? ask her label! look at her "contract".
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think about it, whos making money on distributing your music now? Even though they like to lie about it, thepiratebay is making millions on ads and merch (and putting it in tax-paradises)
this sounds like a conspiracy theory, do you have any evidence that they are milking the add revenue cow and placing money elsewhere. Not that I want to defend them mind you. But after my own run ins with various labels i sure as hell would rather have TPB to steal my money than the recoding insutry that is for damn sure!!! atleast they admit to being pirates unlike the record industry who are little BUT pirates and offended that everyone have started to figure them out. We have internets, what did we need them for again?
