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evil: atari SUCKS!!!!!1 btw sthlm->outline ryanair hint hint

Well...

I think the war Atari vs Amiga is over...

"right"

But that war Atari vs Amiga was great :)

This prod proves that the Amiga vs. atari war is not only alive and kicking, but actively being won over and over again by Amiga. <3

Phuny to see how many Amiga fanboys forgot for whom Jay worked bevor he developed the Amiga...

Mm yeah, wonder why he quit...

"Jay was working at Atari when he came up with the idea for a super games computer. At Atari Jay had done much of the design work on the Atari 800 8-bit computers as well as the earlier Atari VCS. But since Atari was making cash 'hand over fist' from the arcade craze and the home video games, it wasn't interested in his plans for an advanced 16-bit home computer based upon the Motorola 68000 CPU."

FAIL!

true. Amiga was a FAIL! ;)

You should go to school more....

Oh, thank you very much for your wise advise...

something with "the 90s called"

I'm going to design a new FPGA based system (called the "Amitari") which includes the best features of both Atari and Amiga. I guess it'll basically be an Amiga with a Yamaha YM chip hacked on :)

Long live the Amitari scene! \o/

I just got an Atari 130XE.... oops, wrong thread. :P

well, needless to say, the Amiga definitely wasn't a FAIL and it set some incredible milestones in scene history (both technical and design-wise).

Nevertheless, I never understood the hype about it. I mean, by its time, the Amiga was one of the cheapest/most affordable ways to get hold of some, by that time, cutting-edge computing power (custom chips ftw!).
That's why everyone and his cat owned one.

Today, even the cheapest lowcost PC can do what that machine could do back then and even better.
So, let it die/rest in piece already, will you :)? (ya, I know, this might be rly controversial for some of you ;))

Maybe I'm just too uninspired but I feel like virtually everything's been done on the 'miggy before and instead of "lo-fing" new stuff to fit on this old machine, why not release it in "hi-def" on a current platform?

Cheers.

hermes: have you ever tried programming every chip on modern PC, directly, without the aid of layer upon layer of API ? :) I think there will always be an attraction to simple consistent systems like the Atari/Amiga. even to the next generation. The experience is just different and really fun, even if it isn't high-def. And there are probably not many more barriers left to break coding on these systems, but that's not the point i don't think.

hello: amen to that. srsly.
however, I really can recommend messing around with Linux kernel programming if you want to learn about PC hw internals (which will convince you that you actually don't really want to know this and just use the highlevel APIs, yes..:) .
But what am I talking 'bout.., most of the ppl. interested in the "art" aspect of demos have pbly. long since moved along to "other platforms" (uh oh, bold statement, isn't it!).
For the other ones interested in "coding the bare metal", I recommend getting a BeagleBoard (TI OMAP3, Cortex A8+C64p DSP + SGX gfx accel.).. it's just ~100 US$. That thing rly is a beast, somehow like an Atari Falcon on Speed :) SW needs improvement, though..

(ok, it's more like 149 US$, and you definitely have to be a Linux Nerd (TM) to appreciate this.)

Yay, Amiga was nice and easy. sigh. :)

Oh it's just like the old days!

hermes:

Why do some people still mess around with the old table train in the basement/attic ?
Because it's fun to have something that's not changeing anymore,
to have certain limitations, it boasts creativity, you need to improvise.
I think this fits for all old platforms.

Someone explain.

hahaha :) ask skope!

I jsut got an Amiga too... A1200 :-) (thanks to Swaxi/Depth since my own died after almost 16 years of faithful service). I am now busy trying to fit a 3.5" harddrive and IDEFix in it. And will soon be tracking more chiptunes!

evil: The cave is closed for the winter.

Forget it. I'm having my STs sent here. Paula just doesn't groove like a YM does, and the Amiga scene forgot about ECS (and even plain AGA) for the most part. It's almost like the Atari 8-bit scene. Great stuff out there, but you need gobs of RAM expansion, and the C64 scene still puts it to shame with prods that run on stock hardware...Same with the Amiga scene, but add along at least AGA, with PPC/060 accelerators, PCI graphic cards, etc etc etc...

fuck the Amiga scene. Just STay Atari.