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Does a flash website belong on Pouet? (demoscene relevance notwithstanding)

category: general [glöplog]
inet is invented by anti-capitalists...
...it should stay free of pay-shit !
linux FTW !
( i just dont dind better words AGAINST it ! DRUNK as so often right now! )
all DATA belongs to everyone !!!!
d=f ...and that on a board...lesser booze between parties is the answer !
indeed, that flash animation looked fairly demoish to me. if it is gonna be kept removed, then we'd end up needing to remove half of the prods released to this date, including linger in shadows, and conspiracy's 4players.de teaser.
added on the 2009-01-15 11:49:57 by decipher decipher
as said before:

release it on the oneliner/in a Thread ! ( even the rating would be more than -1/0/+1 then ;) )

pouet == downloadable content please !
To those calling this a flash animation (gloom): I'm pretty sure it contains coded effects. Images were blurred/warped in a way that looked like it wasn't realtime (or the loading time would've been way longer), and there was a mention of "code by:" in the credits.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:03:33 by stijn stijn
er, WAS realtime.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:03:51 by stijn stijn
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it's easily savable, just look in the file menu in the browser for the save button.

unless it's composed of more than one file.
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demos have obviously evolved over the years, and personally i think that it's just about enjoying being creative with friends and showing it to a community you feel part of.

but how does that differentiate us from deviantart and myspace? is that REALLY thinking ahead or is that just jumping the bandwagon of whatever social-art-circle is popular right now?
added on the 2009-01-15 12:03:57 by Gargaj Gargaj
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indeed, that flash animation looked fairly demoish to me.

i still think the intro animation of Unreal 2 looks very demoish, but it still has absolutely nothing to do with the scene.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:06:07 by Gargaj Gargaj
link already please ;) ( removing it doesn´t mean having ppl no look at it forever! )
meh....going to slepp again now anyway...the booze is SATAN! haha
heh that unreal2 intro does kick ass :D

i've actually never launched that game, is it realtime like in Unreal and UT, or a capture video ?

UT was actually very demo'ish, specially the awesome soundtrack :)
added on the 2009-01-15 12:33:19 by Zest Zest
and it was still using tracker formats unlike other games.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:37:18 by Zest Zest
cocoon: the link is on the first page, second post.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:39:49 by stijn stijn
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inet is invented by anti-capitalists...
...it should stay free of pay-shit !
linux FTW !


anti-capitalists, you mean like the US Army?
added on the 2009-01-15 12:48:27 by skrebbel skrebbel
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and gloom yet again you profess a narrow-minded opinion about what demos should be :/

..and yet again you jump on the opportuninty to call anything that has moving pixels "a demo" and start calling people who have a different opinion "narrow minded". If you'll forgive my lazyness, I'll just re-use my stock response this time around as well: the people who make demos get to define what demos are, onlookers do not.

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demos have obviously evolved over the years, and personally i think that it's just about enjoying being creative with friends and showing it to a community you feel part of.

Well, I don't. In fact, I strongly disagree that the demoscene is "just about enjoying being creative". There is nothing wrong with that of course, and there are a dozen Vimeo and YouTube-channels that wish you welcome, but in order to make something "a demo", it has to be something more than that, even thought enjoying being creative and showing it off to your friends are indeed parts of it. Again: my opinion. While there is of course absolutely nothing wrong with making a video version of your demo and putting it online, or making online versions of it afterwards, for it to be a demo it should at some point have been a self-contained executable.

This is a recurring theme of course, so there really isn't much point saying it again since it just keeps hitting home.

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is that REALLY thinking ahead or is that just jumping the bandwagon of whatever social-art-circle is popular right now?

Gargaj SO has leading.
added on the 2009-01-15 12:55:18 by gloom gloom
Still it is fucking weird that products that are created by demosceners but not for the demoscene are accepted. And let's not even start on all the shit 32 byte intros and "fun" productions.

But well, I am not part of the Gloom posse, so what do I know.
gloom: i agree with you, let's keep the term 'demo' in the strict sense of 'self-contained' executable ; even if technically it's already wrong because of the heavy use of DirectX libraries by most recent demos.

i'm speaking of prods linked the demoscene, those that are legitimate to be entered into pouet database : take many wild compos, if there weren't released at demoparties they would have no reason to be present on pouet! this flash animation is a similar case.

if we extend your strict reasoning, it's like denying maxon & HBC the fact that they are part of the demoscene o_O

the demoscene and demoparties have to embrace today's ways to be creative, unless you want them to be *really* dead in 10-15 years and/or just the gathering of old veteran zombies.
added on the 2009-01-15 13:29:56 by Zest Zest
You guys are so hypocrite.

Here I'll present you 2 productions that weren't done with the demoscene in mind, don't have credits, don't have greetings. Nor was the author who submitted it to pouet, neither it was released to a party, they were released outside the demoscene as short-films.

tomthumb
staying pictures

Still, they are in pouet. Why? Because they are cool. As soon as something done by someone that was a demoscener and that is _cool_, the demoscene (or pouet) is trying to tag it as demoscene related production, if it's _not cool_, the demoscene (or pouet) looks to the other side.

Pardon me, but that's being a phony.
added on the 2009-01-15 13:33:57 by mrdoob mrdoob
Why are you guys being so pedantic? Bah.

Anywho, what demo are we talking about? I missed it :)
added on the 2009-01-15 13:34:47 by sagacity sagacity
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the people who make demos get to define what demos are, onlookers do not.

hehe then you should accept all the prods of the creative people who submit them to pouet, in so far as they actually think those are demoscene-related...
added on the 2009-01-15 13:37:39 by Zest Zest
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Still, they are in pouet. Why? Because they are cool.

...no?
added on the 2009-01-15 13:40:20 by Gargaj Gargaj
Why then?
added on the 2009-01-15 13:46:41 by kb_ kb_
havoc: the only possible prespective i see in this is that once again zealots are pushing their ideology of what the scene should be to hermetically seal creativity and dissemination into a box they can master. which is exactly why i completly disconnected from pouet to begin with. != my demoscene.

like i said, regardless of how missunderstood from trace it might have been: i admire your persistance. and props to psonice aswell while we're at it.
added on the 2009-01-15 13:55:13 by psenough psenough
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is that REALLY thinking ahead or is that just jumping the bandwagon of whatever social-art-circle is popular right now?

i so agree with Gargaj on that point : so many (totally legitimate) demos are so mimicking the arty schools :P

but of course that's just a matter of taste, not legitimacy.


the legitimacy issue is actually the meta-issue at this point : face it or not but the scene has changed, specially since the prevalence of the net.

i've already explained my theory about it : the scene has evolved and adopted the wide distributed & decentralized aspect of the net ; there are still leet groups, but they aren't legitimate anymore to be the council who decide what the scene is and what the scene isn't, who is part of the scene and who isn't. Knowledge, creativity, sharing and communities are the ones who lead the scene.

and i'm talking about the original scene (yeah the cracking/warez scene) as much as the demoscene.
added on the 2009-01-15 13:55:41 by Zest Zest
Because the "does it belong on pouet"-discussion wasn't triggered when they were uploaded, or because TPOLM is instantly recognized as demoscene-related (even though the prods themselves weren't)?
added on the 2009-01-15 13:56:32 by stijn stijn

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