pouët.net

many good things have been discovered by serendipity facts :
champagne, roquefort, penicilline, etc.
Even errors bring an extra knowledge

Mmm.. I didn't knew about champagne and roquefort. What's the story?

this is a thread about pouet logoes ?

roquefort wasn't discovered by serendipity facts, it was found in a cave. One day the roquefort will run out :(

the roqueforts have escaped.

but not raclette

I thread smells more like shit than like IQ. jsyk.

Wat?

That would would make anyone who studies humans a nazi. Why would you study differences in height if not to produce a race of very tall people? Why study distribution of hair colour if not to produce more blondes? Etc.



Or the other way around. It seems you're the one making that value call, then failing to imagine that others might be more objective than you.



Genetic engineers are not eugenicists. You could call genetic engineering a slippery slope, but that's a rhetorical point that ignores the huge potential in genetics for improvements to human quality of life.



And there are sick fucks who would get a kick out of a description of children's genitals, yet you can still have an objective discussion about the genitals of children in, say, a medical context. You can't transpose the mentalities of different people that way. There might be a Mensa Eugenics Division who would breed humans with IQ as the sole selection criterion, but so what?



And "these people" are who, exactly? Psychiatrists, doctors, medical researchers, people working in AI, kindergarten teachers, the secret Nazi underground, the Breakpoint organisers? The Ninja Turtles? I don't get it.



Yes. And there are "good" and "bad" reasons for wanting to know that. One good reason could be self-improvement. I might like to get an objective assessment of how bright I am so that I can improve in the areas I feel need improvement. It's like stepping on a scale to see how much you weigh - not a perfect measure of body fat (and it's very easy to cheat), but none the less your weight IS related to your general fitness and health. You don't say "weighing in is bullshit, there's so much more to health than just body mass, so I'll conclude that there's no objective truth to fitness and just eat another pint of ice cream anyway". And you certainly wouldn't say that the existence of scales is an invitation to sterilise fat people.

A scale is a very useful tool, and the concept of body mass is a useful concept. The problem is only when people think there's a direct link between body weight and fitness and health, or that science is assuming there is such a link.

Another good reason for studying human intelligence is AI research. But then that's dangerous too because Skynet will kill us all, right?



Conjuring up a totalitarian nightmare scenario for the future is never pleasant, no. But ignoring reality won't make for a brighter, happier future anyway. Either IQ tests are bullshit, or they're a meaningful measure of something intelligence-related. If it's the latter, broadly recognising them as such is essential if we want to AVOID a world ruled by a small elite.



You can't know if you're close to discovering something. That in itself is nonsense, and you should seriously question the source of that information.



Again, who are "they"? Be careful with the witch hunt rhetoric if you want to make a fair point.



And who said intelligence was genetic? Bear in mind, we're genetically identical to stone age humans, just about, yet on the IQ scale or probably on any conceivable scale, we're all massively more intelligent.

BASS.

YES, being genetical identical has made us ~30 (or something like that. 30 cm more or less) centimeters taller too!

it's a proven fact that eating a lot of roquefort can make you up to 30cm taller too, so we can give roquefort the credit for that.

Anyway, where are the caveman IQ scores? I bet they're actually really high, seeing that they lived in caves.. coincidentally where roquefort comes from!

BAD CHOICE.

SINCE actual theorists have concluded that human intelligence started gaining more foot in daily life by time when hummies moved near to seas and begun eating fishies that have like protein and shit..

yyyep. cave men just munched their roots and barks.

what's an actual theorist?

an actual theorist is a member of the cult of science and education (as understood very differently from the scientific Methodology).

I have no idea!

Only thing I know is that I was refering to someone a little more qualified than the ö-class pouët-scientists and philosophists. :-D

its funny

if somebody started throwing a hissy fit on here because he wasn't privy to some basic fruit seller knowledge that people with an education in fruit selling have (and the non-fruit selling population don't have), you'd think he was a bit paranoid

after all, there are probably some basic concepts of fruit selling that are within everyone's grasp, but they probably need just the tiniest bit of fruit selling education and BAM

so, you'd probably think someone was a bit weird if they started foul mouthing fruit sellers simply because they know a bit more about selling fruit

where fruit selling = science

OHMYGOD it's a lame and boring view to word to see it as a static, unchanging heap of similarity OVER AND OVER AGAIN. It's like demos - same bullshit every time.

I do bet people who make the majority of demos are quite similar intelligence - and similar in every other way, just like their demoz.

PROVOCATIVE POST ROCKS

YOU SUCK ANYWAY

LESS THAN THEE

That caveman was intelligent. It's just that there was no civilization, language, education, etc back then.

But wait! This is just a movie not a fact :P

Uhm, the URL blows :/