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For Quisten & Spookysys

It would have been so cool to be able to watch it on XP, but still, really great production!

Don't bother.

I tried also to watch it without succesfull results.

It's a pity that I have to stick to the video (XP here), but this is a fantastic effort! I was deeply impressed watching this on the stream - congrats and hooray for everyone involved!

What's the difference to using pieces from gm.dls ?!

lazy-san: the sounds in gm.dls are raw sounds, unprocessed dry sounds.

Cutting out sounds from a finished track gives you a nice soundscape with reverb, filters, echo etc. for "free".

This is my personal opnion and everybody else is free to think different - but that can't change that it disappoints me.

Puryx: you should just have thought of iit first ;)

leia: duh... that's not the point at all :)

yes it is :)

whatever - you're clearly not interested in discussing this, but only interested to piss me off a bit - congratulatiions, you suceeded! - now move on :)

ihhi :-)
*poke*

btw your tune was awesome!

lets discuss the finished code that dx10 provides for "free"

hollowman: for the sake of it... shut up?

oh and on the discussion, i can only speak for myself but i find stretching the limits of the rules by, for example, using operating system files often to be the coolest things about 4ks. i loved it in panoptriptikum, i loved it in the first gm.dls hacktros, and i love it in texas. it's not like it's plain easy to make a decent tune from such building blocks. sure thing, you get the cool mastering for free, or at least on the sounds that you import. but you trade a lot of flexibility for it - files such as these are just as much a limiting factor as the size of the intro themselves.

personally, i say hats off for not only finding the opportunity, but also using it so damn well.

though from my side quisten gets the biggest pat on the back - feels like this is the one you've been wanting to make for quite a while no?

skrebbel: now, that was a way better contribution to the discussion, and I clearly understand your views on this matter - luckily we don't have the same views, which means we'll be able to discuss this to death untill we pass out because of alcohol overusage :D

And of course we should in no way forget the awesome visuals that this intro has - no doubt that this yet another time pushes the limit of visual contents in the 4k genre!

why is the best 4k evah named... texas ?

:P

please note that i have never done a 4k and probably never will (lack of skills) .. in my mind it just isn't placeable in the 4k limit when some of the bytes are placed outside/elsewhere. For me this can be placed right next to atleths taking EPO etc. ..

you can call it brilliant use of system files, i call it cheating ... and again notice that i am not competing and feels cheated of something. Its just a pitty that this trick was used with so powerful effects. Without sound it would have stood higher in my book.

both means using "data" which is coming along with your os-installation, which is perfectly legal. as you point out yourself, the "data" coming along with vista is musically quite useful and gives more for free than you achieved by hard work. and yes, that would piss me off, too :)

controversy is the best publicity ever, congrats keyboarders ;D

(specially when the visuals stand up that much)

It's pretty Godwin to mix Timbaland in this whole discussion right? :)

Okkie: well, do you dare? :D

So what you basically want is a proper convolution-filter?
All you need is an impulse-response of your "room" which can be approximated by simply ray(wave)-tracing a box (better: trace the geometry you're actually displaying).
Just as a more constructive idea...

lazy-san: we've got reverb and echo already - and not they way you're suggesting, since that will probably be way too byte-demanding and timeconsuming when precalcing the sound :)

Now i'm no coder genius but it seems to me that using DX or other code from the system in a 4k is sort of the whole premise for even making these demos. These resources doesnt determine the design or look of the demo - this is still entirely up to the programmer/designer how to utilize it.

One of the problems using 'hard' content from an OS such as sound files and even wallpapers as textures is simply that we could end up with a lot of similar 4k demoes if they all 'take' from the same resources just to save bytes (even if those resources are modified).

Also this is just one small step away from linking to a website and extract resources into the demo :D

When all that is said the demo did rule ;)

Well, the compo rules say Vista, so you get Vista, no more, no less. If you don't like the rules, go complain to the compo organizers, rather than to the intro makers who merely follow the rules. Or stick to watching Amiga 4ks.

With this said, I totally agree with Puryx that this is going right to the border of cheating without crossing it.

Which is what the whole thing is about in the first place. :)