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Iblis: anywhere I can hear some samples of that online? Her original stuff or whatever remix. I love hearing some kind of original stuff like that. Like the star-cage rythms, perhaps people will think that stuff is normal in 40-50 years :)

Iblis, I reacted because it reminded me a lot to what happened about at
the same period to P.Henry.. Same age (he was about 70 years old), and
he also had releases of remix albums of his works by respected techno
producers.. Also nights and shows. I didn't know the lady though :)

Psonice. I have no clue if she has stuff online. But her name is Else Marie Pade. So happy googlin'. ;)

Iblis: i found her name already from bighead's post. Strange though, I first found somebody with totally different name that google thought invented techno, also a woman, but from denmark... Not found any tunes yet though. I'll look again. Cheers!

Damn! I am at the Rechnerzentrum and I don't know if I can make it till the end. I am trying not to burst out of laughter and my face is getting red. Students around are watching me curiously!

My favoritest insults till now (driving some more hypocrisy ;):
* Busy bee don't sting me much, stick to your lame st cunt.
* If you had a brain cell, it would die of lonelyness. (That was my most favorite :)

Blah.

i hate listening to trains.

But that branca shows a hell cunt attitude alone, quite typical for a scener anyways ;)

A typ for new sceners: If you get to know the scene, you learn that you can just stay cool and STFUing the one who STFUied yourself, because you know it's just for fun or something in reality. Sceners like having this arrogant attitude and bringing a good laughter to the community. I had enough of these at my early days, especially at the very first days on CSIPD when I have opened a threed about my first quickbasic demo or tried to argue why HUGi couldn't run on my shitty 486. Ahhh,.. memories....
Hmm,. and the other huge text about the "hackers" :P
Flames were cool back then..

"I have a life outside of this banal static circular movement, nothin but an elephant grave yard..."

Hahahaha! I like that too =)

P.S. Pitty. If branca wasn't such a prick..

Typ2: Or you can just ignore and not play the game of the cunts, pretenting this way that you have a higher level of personality, like what I usually do. But then you will be accused of hypocrisy ;)

iblis: 1) there are no rules, 2) but do it well, these two doesn't match together :)

Till today I didn't coded anything serious for the demoscene and currently I don't care, so I just want to code for fun no matter if I make people throw my stuff in the recycle bin. Also, a specific controversary demo is superb for half of the scene and deadly boring for the other half.

Also. I used to be fucking serious by telling people that we should return back on my 386 or that they should all come in the CPC scene, but today I am enjoying that. Not that I changed my mind (I still hate C++ but I have to learn C++ for a job, but I still hate it because it's a piece of shitty abstractions like windows are, period.) but I know it's clueless anymore so I might just either pretend to be oldschoolisch or better mostly letting the others do it on threads like this and reading their comments while bursting out of laughter behind the wall ;)

Though, I think I won't bash Demopaja because ShaneTheWolf and friends are the most funny lovely feelingfull beeings today, even if they once succeeded annoying the whole pouet community (answering in a weird pseudo gentle way and some funny arguments) but this didn't annoyed me at all as this thread would, which however also doesn't because I know it's all about sceners anyway ;PPP

Blah, blah, blah.

please optimus, get a life already...

How said I want to get a life? I just want to be happy with myself :)

And if this doesn't work then I've gotta learn beeing content with what I am..

you're so ignorant...

branca & havoc are SO funny :D

Optimus too.

In fact, I started using his rants instead of Lorem Ipsum whenever I generate test pages.

Shhh, stop using my name in vain.

n|m

who the fuck cares about music style/trends/whatsoever? just make something that fits to the visuals (or the other way around)... good enough for a demo... it's a demo! damn it!

Second Reality's music is bad quality, bad orchestration, tonedeaf for any "real" musician (anyone who has studied music)... hell, it's probably bad even for Purple Motion now that he is dedicating to music professionally... put Second Reality music (the techno part at least) in a CD in the middle of "real" techno tracks, and anyone not being a scener will tell you that track is the worst in the CD...

Still, for us, demosceners, computer geeks, it made a trend, it rocked, it was great, it fit the demo completely and it was one of the most amazing tracks for the demoscene ever... -that- is what counts to us.

PS: Change Second Reality track for any other "famous" demotrack (dope/complex, verses/emf, crystal dreams II/triton) or whatever.. the point remains.

PS2: lately the trend has been going to use professional tools (MIDI sequencers, synths or soft-synths) with professional quality sound using a streamed format, so this might stop being a point lately... still, many demo soundtracks today are created with a tracker, with time-stretched samples [one of the main difference with using synths, and one of the main reasons the quality gets bad for modules]), so, even if it's slowly dissapearing, there's still a point on it nowadays.

lately the trend has been going to use professional tools (MIDI sequencers, synths or soft-synths) with professional quality sound using a streamed format, so this might stop being a point lately

pro music-software doesn't save a bad music from being crap.

nope, but talking from a "real" musician's point of view, tracked (with time-stretched/pitched samples) music, even when it's good (for tracked music), it's crap. That's the point.

Ear of beholder.

jcl: if you're a "real" musician, you'll know that a lot of synths, samplers and workstations used in professional music do indeed use timestretched/pitched samples. so that reason for poor quality isnt really valid. in fact, a lot of tracked tunes use samples taken from sets used on said music hardware (done this myself).

i'm definitely not a "real" musician, only a hobbyist one... and yes, samplers do use pitched samples, for what they are worth... they also do that timestretching and pitching on dedicated hardware, allowing for way better interpolations... it's like comparing a software rendered engine with a hardware rendered one... is it possible to achieve the -same- output in software rendering than in hardware rendering? -> definitely <-, in realtime? doubtfully. This is (again coming to my "PS2") changing a bit lately, as processors get more horsepower, and well-done timestretching/pitching is becoming a reality... (as well as trackers are not evolving that much lately, and more professional tools get in the way)

Was just sketching out the point, without getting into much details... A "tracker" is a sequencer, nothing you need special hardware to do (the hardware in hardware sequencers is basic), a sampler (a good one) is deinfitely not... a synth is even less basic (although with nowadays CPUs you can make nice so-called 'soft-synths' in realtime). And once again, that gets to my "PS2:", where I said the trend is changing nowadays, with people using more pro-tools (synths are much cheaper now than they were some years ago... soft-synths are free or affordable to many people, and CPU's supporting those in realtime are a reality now).

Yeah, you could make a sawtooth synth in realtime in a 286, but it's not just a sawtooth you use in a "real" tune, is it? :)