Random "Adok/EP/Magic/Hugi please go to hell kthxbye" thread
category: general [glöplog]
Additional translation service: Paniq thinks that without giving a detailed recap on what has happened, I'm not allowed to complain. Or something like that, it's rather confusing in german, too. Not too relevant, either.
Pouet has a search function, and interested people should know who to ask, and I'm not going to recap on years of EP/Adok/Magic action. For those who never have been unwillingly in closer contact tor the aforementioned: congrats for not being affected, now you only need to possibly show solidarity to those who are ;)
(Bonus remark: I don't fall the "this doesn't suit your position as bp-mainorga"-trap. Even in case my views are shared by some BP orgas (e.g. those who have been in unrequested contact with Magic, I'd guess ;), this has nothing to do with BP, and I'm still entitled to my very own personal view, which in this case is "We've taken enough shit by those guys, let's tell them to get lost".)
Pouet has a search function, and interested people should know who to ask, and I'm not going to recap on years of EP/Adok/Magic action. For those who never have been unwillingly in closer contact tor the aforementioned: congrats for not being affected, now you only need to possibly show solidarity to those who are ;)
(Bonus remark: I don't fall the "this doesn't suit your position as bp-mainorga"-trap. Even in case my views are shared by some BP orgas (e.g. those who have been in unrequested contact with Magic, I'd guess ;), this has nothing to do with BP, and I'm still entitled to my very own personal view, which in this case is "We've taken enough shit by those guys, let's tell them to get lost".)
i have to confess: i'm uninformed and curious. but the pouet-search-function isn't quite powerful when it comes to searching the bbs. can someone please post a couple of links to memorable bbs-topics about the hugi-comedy-trio? thanks...
There are several, but the most recent is "EP writes letter to university to make them shut down scene.org/pouet, undersigned as EP/Hugi, Magic & Adok don't distance themselves from that, Adok acts like an ass, Magic trolls", see http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=5179. However, there has been more and worse stuff going on after that (the "anonymous letter" mentioned above), but it's not up to me to disclose this - it would be up to scene.org and they wish to keep this low-profile and use the "official" means of making a stalker shut up.
Not to mention the stories of the past during recent years. Possibly other people will provide links and stories, I've said enough for now.
Not to mention the stories of the past during recent years. Possibly other people will provide links and stories, I've said enough for now.
The very first post Adok writes here is:
If this is not distancing from EP I don't know what else would! I'm not doubting that you will be able to find strange Adok posts somewhere on pouet but to make it very clear, he's not the one who tried to get scene.org down or stalking sceners.
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I'm shocked to what escalation it has come. I'm of the opinion that scene.org is an admirable institution which is doing an outstanding job for the scene and modern technologies in general.
I want to distance myself from these attacks at scene.org.
I know from emails from EP that he felt attacked by somer sceners' criticism. I tried to make him calm down and show him how to react in a factual and sensible manner. That's why I'm surprised that it has come to this escalation.
In this context I want to mention that EP isn't a member of Hugi Core & Royal Family and he only speaks for himself.
If this is not distancing from EP I don't know what else would! I'm not doubting that you will be able to find strange Adok posts somewhere on pouet but to make it very clear, he's not the one who tried to get scene.org down or stalking sceners.
paralax: true that. i think scamp is tired of adok for older reasons.
Paralax: he didn't do that on the other thread, did he?
He kept on saying that the email EP sent had nothing to do with what Hugi thinks, yet they kept him has part of Hugi. Aparently he changed now.
He kept on saying that the email EP sent had nothing to do with what Hugi thinks, yet they kept him has part of Hugi. Aparently he changed now.
xer: in fact he did, on the first page of it (just checked). but then when questioned harder he kind of changed his statement to "yeah ep quit on his own will" which changed the statement a bit..
And I guess a lot of people (me included) forgot all about his first post.
And I guess a lot of people (me included) forgot all about his first post.
Make love, not war.
Adok: Also, congrats, you've made two good jokes lately \o/
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If this is not distancing from EP I don't know what else would!
He himself did, but there was no statement from Hugi as an entity.
Add to the mix everytime anyone asked "Would you publish an article from EP if he'd send you one?", the answer was always some vague bullshit instead of a clear yes/no.
Ermm... "I tried to make him calm down and show him how to react in a factual and sensible manner."
May I remind you of the fact that EP showed drastical tendencies to run amok for quite some time already, actually several years (remember the dipswitch incident)? And that he had threatened people? That the stuff Hugi allowed him to publish was rather... weird? And that Adok again and again still invited him back in to be a core member of his team after several not-so-nice episodes?
Of course he doesn't like how this has turned out, after all it's not like he's standing in a good light here. He distances himself from the "escalation", not EP, nor does he excuse for playing a quite big role in all this coming this far, nor has he been able (or willing?) to make EP stop. And what the heck does not a part of "Hugi Core & Royal Family" mean with EP actually signing his mails with "EP/Hugi" for long?
Sorry, I'm not taking it. ;)
May I remind you of the fact that EP showed drastical tendencies to run amok for quite some time already, actually several years (remember the dipswitch incident)? And that he had threatened people? That the stuff Hugi allowed him to publish was rather... weird? And that Adok again and again still invited him back in to be a core member of his team after several not-so-nice episodes?
Of course he doesn't like how this has turned out, after all it's not like he's standing in a good light here. He distances himself from the "escalation", not EP, nor does he excuse for playing a quite big role in all this coming this far, nor has he been able (or willing?) to make EP stop. And what the heck does not a part of "Hugi Core & Royal Family" mean with EP actually signing his mails with "EP/Hugi" for long?
Sorry, I'm not taking it. ;)
Besides: The very least I would have expected would have been a public apology to scene.org for the attacks, posted on the Hugi website (which is HOSTED at scene.org ;), telling every Hugi reader that EP is a risk, still calling himself member of Hugi, and people should stand clear of that lunatic.
Nothing like that has happened. He did't even, as Gargaj pointed out, state that he would no longer be offering a platform for harassment of others to EP.
So why is that so? Well, in the past he used to be quite happy to indirectly cause fuzz inside the scene, so he had some controversity someone could write about in Hugi. After all he was one of the very few "profiting" from the EP-attacks-dipswitch drama. It's the only way for him and his crappy diskmag to get some attention. Who know if it's the same scheme this time, gone out of control, or if his motivations are different. In any case, he is a part of the problem, just has he's been in the past. And this now finally needs to stop.
Nothing like that has happened. He did't even, as Gargaj pointed out, state that he would no longer be offering a platform for harassment of others to EP.
So why is that so? Well, in the past he used to be quite happy to indirectly cause fuzz inside the scene, so he had some controversity someone could write about in Hugi. After all he was one of the very few "profiting" from the EP-attacks-dipswitch drama. It's the only way for him and his crappy diskmag to get some attention. Who know if it's the same scheme this time, gone out of control, or if his motivations are different. In any case, he is a part of the problem, just has he's been in the past. And this now finally needs to stop.
sry...
i am only some demoscene interested person (mainly cracktros since c64)
to sum it up
magic is a harmlass moron and lamer, adok a selfish and ignorant racistlamer, ep a dangerious psycho and sociophat..
sry for my bad english but i had 2*0,5 smirnoff with redbull
in german:
magic ist ein vollspast aber imho einer der harmlosen sorte, adok ein eingebildeter, selb stverliebter, rassistischer, hässlicher österreicher (und vollblutlamer), ep hingegen ist ein vollblutlamer,stalker, psycho und soziopath, der dringend in ärztliche behandlung gehört- er ist wirklich mit seiner linken, hinterhältige art gefährlich.
und hugi gibt so einem idioten ausgabe für ausgabe immer wieder eine platform für seine gehirnshice. sry für alle die immer gute arbeit in das mag gesteckt haben, aber hugi ist einfach fürn arsch und verdient es einfach nicht einen platz in der szene zu haben- höchtens in der psychoklinikszene.
ps: fuck macbooks (even the one i am writing on)
i am only some demoscene interested person (mainly cracktros since c64)
to sum it up
magic is a harmlass moron and lamer, adok a selfish and ignorant racistlamer, ep a dangerious psycho and sociophat..
sry for my bad english but i had 2*0,5 smirnoff with redbull
in german:
magic ist ein vollspast aber imho einer der harmlosen sorte, adok ein eingebildeter, selb stverliebter, rassistischer, hässlicher österreicher (und vollblutlamer), ep hingegen ist ein vollblutlamer,stalker, psycho und soziopath, der dringend in ärztliche behandlung gehört- er ist wirklich mit seiner linken, hinterhältige art gefährlich.
und hugi gibt so einem idioten ausgabe für ausgabe immer wieder eine platform für seine gehirnshice. sry für alle die immer gute arbeit in das mag gesteckt haben, aber hugi ist einfach fürn arsch und verdient es einfach nicht einen platz in der szene zu haben- höchtens in der psychoklinikszene.
ps: fuck macbooks (even the one i am writing on)
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ps: fuck macbooks (even the one i am writing on)
Yes, my cousin bought one this week and it's already broken \o/
The OS doesn't boot or something. ;)
i have a hackintosh at home, but this is the one of my gf (already fcked 2 time and @sleep) how can i desrtroy it ?)
(Hint to those who wish to read about the stalking/threating/mail bombing that occured since Adok gave EP a platform to abuse: Search the bbs for "***". That should be an interesting read, just did that to refresh my memories, had forgotten about many things already - including the fact that already in 2005 he was threatening to attack scene.org and pouet to get them shut down.)
or believe me i got a some projects worth tan 4 mio euros...lol..really.
http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=3003&page=1
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AFAIK ep has good contacts with Chaos/FR.
added on the 2006-07-03 by Adok
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(Disclaimer: This comes from me, personally, not from scene.org. Neither does it come from Hugi, Pain or Zine).
But Adok, how come you're so much more socially capable in the old threads and what does it actually take for you to go out and say "ok now the line is crossed" ?
Also, Paniq: Da hast du es! (was scamp sagt)
And last, I agree with Scamp on a lot of things in this, apart from the parts where we execute people for making bad decisions. It's the lack of regret I can't take :)
But Adok, how come you're so much more socially capable in the old threads and what does it actually take for you to go out and say "ok now the line is crossed" ?
Also, Paniq: Da hast du es! (was scamp sagt)
And last, I agree with Scamp on a lot of things in this, apart from the parts where we execute people for making bad decisions. It's the lack of regret I can't take :)
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But while these guys are shitting on *MY* or my friends carpets I'll most definately take each and every action I see fit to get rid of them and my friends.
Huh? What did your friends do to you? ;)
Oh, and fuckings to the person reviving this thread in about 6 years.
I fail to see how four pages of shoveling dirt on various people's face is going to help anything. Perhaps this thread will result in [disable text] feature so we can finally have a Pouet BBS that makes sense. Gargaj?
Stop it!
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Oh, and fuckings to the person reviving this thread in about 6 years.
My crystal ball tells me it will be magic.
