What's the story behind the Plastic PS3 demo?
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Ryg: whats in this nvidea 'demokit'
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blz: of course I'm aware and it was rather directed to general public. bonzaj was going to talk about it after the screening. I don't know why he didn't. for sure not because he got a call from sony. if scea didn't want it to go public now, they wouldn't agree for the presentation anyway.
magic: that's true. no, I won't tell you who.
magic: that's true. no, I won't tell you who.
Yay! More high-quality demos for PS3 confirmed then? If there will be a way to run them on a standard PS3 I might just have to pick one up...
the ps3 demos was cool, no doubt.
but all this nvidia and ps3 sponsorship/contracting gives me the impression that the demo scene is going to be transformed into the sports arena of the video games- and hardware- industries. of course, it was always like that: crew vs crew and platform vs platform. but this time around money will be a key factor. is that a good thing?
but all this nvidia and ps3 sponsorship/contracting gives me the impression that the demo scene is going to be transformed into the sports arena of the video games- and hardware- industries. of course, it was always like that: crew vs crew and platform vs platform. but this time around money will be a key factor. is that a good thing?
last comment is as important as:
blablablablabla (i use atari which can't do shit) blablabla (i'm jealous)
blablablablabla (i use atari which can't do shit) blablabla (i'm jealous)
I thought the nvidia thing was about more cool demos and the money not being a key factor, since they give out stuff to coders who don't have it now.
unseen:
i respect the hard work and skills involved in Plastic's demo. do i envy them? not really. i have a good job for the money. and the demo stuff as a hobby, in which i'm free to do whatever i want.
nice that you know i'm making stuff on atari. too bad nobody knows what you do.
and sorry for bringing up politics in a politically flavoured thread.
preacher:
point taken. we need new demos. the industry acknowledges the scene; that's great. i was probably getting ahead of things. freedom is important. wouldn't want to see it compromised.
i respect the hard work and skills involved in Plastic's demo. do i envy them? not really. i have a good job for the money. and the demo stuff as a hobby, in which i'm free to do whatever i want.
nice that you know i'm making stuff on atari. too bad nobody knows what you do.
and sorry for bringing up politics in a politically flavoured thread.
preacher:
point taken. we need new demos. the industry acknowledges the scene; that's great. i was probably getting ahead of things. freedom is important. wouldn't want to see it compromised.
earx: The NVScene event (and attached support) is to strengthen and bring out the best of the scene. There is no "dark motive" here, and none of the participating groups or individuals will sign away any rights or such. It's simply a new demo party with a hardcore sponsor :)
Make no mistake, it wasn't a demo, it was a product.
A way of thinking could also be that since alot of sceners signed up for doing a demo for NVscene (I saw a list of them on the bp08 stream)
and three groups signed up by Sony, and the intel demo compo
'hollows' the competitors field for the 'normal' demo party's
But perhaps I am wrong.. As this is just a theory..
and three groups signed up by Sony, and the intel demo compo
'hollows' the competitors field for the 'normal' demo party's
But perhaps I am wrong.. As this is just a theory..
hitch: it's not exclusive, a demo can be a product and a product can be a demo, think of the first 3dmarks :p
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Make no mistake, it wasn't a demo, it was a product.
Booooooooooring.
Well, we don't pay for demos, right? So drastically said, we don't have a say in where they get released. As long as they stay free of charge and competito-participants have same chances, these parties are just another two on the calendar.
I think, IF they somehow try to charge money for viewing these "special sponsor supported demos", they can stick them....
So relax and let us critically observe where things are going in the future.
At the moment i don't see a necessity to (re-)act in any way.
I think, IF they somehow try to charge money for viewing these "special sponsor supported demos", they can stick them....
So relax and let us critically observe where things are going in the future.
At the moment i don't see a necessity to (re-)act in any way.
just keep sponsored demos out of the compos and i'll be happy. OK to show them, not OK for them to compete against work that has not received sponsorship.
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hitch: it's not exclusive, a demo can be a product and a product can be a demo, think of the first 3dmarks :p
Afaik demos aren't commanded & paid by sofware companies and 3dmarks are benchmarks, not demos.
This is a commercial product paid by SQNY with a O, notice that i never said it was a good thing or a bad thing, the people behind plastic are free to do whatever they want.
Notice also that it didn't take part in a competition like a regular demo.
Also the target audience is probably not the demoscene, since it's probably using hardware resources that are closed for us, the populace.
the first 3dmarks had a real demo spirit, but even the last ones are technically demos.
hitch: i'm surprising myself defending sony (the dreadful DRM on my walkman, the rootkit affair, etc...) but you can't deny that sony have proved they like sponsoring art creativity : think about all the tv commercials they have done for the playstation that aren't really about consoles and games, but are some visual wonders or creative fun ideas. Same for the last Plastic demo, the plastic & bonzaj touch is obvious, incorrupted, and i like how it's more 'fun' than the colder first plastic demos.
Benchmarks are to demos what jingles are to music.
As all industrials, sony need to make money and if they have to sponsor anything or invest in creativity in order to achieve that goal they'll do it.
Booooooooooooooooooooooooring.
indeed, not really a new issue on pouet and in the demoscene :p
Can anyone that actually saw the demo describe it? Be as technical as you want and feel free to use hyperbole. >:D
Congrats to plastic, I look forward to see this. Both what was shown at bp and the finished version in my ps3 :)
Congrats to plastic, I look forward to see this. Both what was shown at bp and the finished version in my ps3 :)
