pouët.net

gasman: thanks for the answer, and yeah I know i don't have to use it.

But I still don't want to connect it even so (matter of principle inside my own head), so no, you can't keep everyone happy.. :/

Will be funny to hear about teenagers who find their parents on slengpung. Shouldn't be too long now :)

melwyn: I for one am blissfully ignorant of what my parents were up to when they were my age. :)

Hmm. Actually, let me add one thing which may be stating the obvious, or it may be the key part of the explanation: There's nothing to stop you personally owning multiple OpenID accounts to keep your scene activity and real-life activity apart.

Right, I'm done :-) (Until the next question...)

Gasman : correct me if I'm wrong, I probably missed something since I did not read the whole thread in a row but : because of YOUR ID crap, WE have to use fake identities/fake accounts if we don't like the way you handle that ? (although you asked us our opinion and many of us clearly told you we were against it, including slengpung and pouet admins)

but again, I might have missed something...

Like said, matter of principle...

I don't have to use it, I can have several of them etc, but now if I log in to demozoo the openid I didn't want to neither create nor associate with my sceneid suddenly exists automatically.

Hopefully this is only true for that particurlar page, so staying off that one will solve the "problem". If it suddenly happens here too, I might make a bigger fuss about that.

Oh and also, it's kind of weird to say "it's your own choice" and then make the choice for me automatically.

Ok, sorry for not reading the whole thread... I have to admit that I don't really understand what demozoo is about.

My impression is this:

- gasman became pouet.net admin and got access to our user/prod data
- Instead of improving pouet.net, he created an ugly clone of pouet.net
- without asking anyone for permission, he's copied user- and prod-data off pouet.net over to demozoo

Could some please clarify on what basis account/prod data that I have provided for pouet.net/scene.org is giving into the hands of third parties?

And why the fuck does demozoo exist at all, in the first place? What's the conceptional difference to pouet.net? (Yeah, the credits stuff is nice, but why isn't it added to pouet.net instead?) Why does pouet.net have an admin with access to user data who's goal is to setup a competitor of pouet.net?

And yes, I really would like to know on what bases scene.org gives out my account data to third parties not under their control.

Please enlighten me.

scamp: you don't need to be admin to get access to our user/prod data, anyone can access it.

And pouet has been supporting reusing the data for a long time, see f.e. this faq entry.

gasman: can't you support both the openid and sceneid authentication mechanisms instead of only openid? I understand it's probably a bit more difficult to implement but it would remove the need to automatically create an openid account when someone logs in with his sceneid account.

...as if pouet.net looks nice *g*

sparcus: I guess there still is a difference between "scene sites embedding stuff from pouet.net via RSS" and "gasman has full access to database and copies data to create a pouet.net clone".

And I still didn't get the point of the whole demozoo thing, I guess...

scamp : exactly my thoughts and I still don't get why Gasman did not help Gargaj improve Pouet in the first place instead of bringing that IDcrap thing and cloning pouet (into something that I also find ugly)

for all correctness, i wasn't in the "team" when gasman became an admin, so he couldn't have helped immediately, since i was still just complaining at ps about all the bugs :)

scamp: You may want to read this thread, it may answer some of your questions.

Are you familiar with the expression "you can't polish a turd"?

LOL, I'm reading the thread I linked above and found this post by Keops, not exactly what he writes above here :D

Gargaj : that makes my point even stronger :)
He was indeed back then the one we counted on, since you indeed weren't working on the code yet. Even more disappointing if you ask me ;)

LOL, WHEN I WAS 10 I WANTED TO DRIVE TRAINS FOR A LIVING BUT I DON'T WANT ANYMORE.

People change their mind over time, amazing news !!

Yes Sparcus, it turns out one can change one's mind over time. When Gasman first mentionned that thing:
- he did not bring that whole retarded ID thing which seems to piss a lot of people off
- I thought it would be complementary but it turns out that it's not at all, it's merely a clone (ugly one) with a copied database. What's the point ?
- it was a preview and now that I gave it a try I find it utterly disappointing
- because I am really disappointed he merely copied Pouet's database and never did anything for Pouet in the end. I thought this position would be a good mean to bring good stuff on both websites. It turns out it did not all, especially when reading people's posts here.

Why keops is not publically regarded as a troll is a mystery to me. Or did I miss something?

scamp: it was more the other way around, gasman was working on demozoo and since we were already facilitating access to the database (since its public service) we also asked him to help out on pouet.net. actually we didnt ask him at all, just gave him and poi the password and said: since unlike 99% of the our users you actually care about scene databases and presenting these things properly, why dont you lime out some bugs in pouet while you dont get demozoo good enough to act as a replacement.

i find it quite unfair all this shit that some of you people seem to be throwing at gasman for trying to create a new scene database site. it might actually work better then pouet and instead of encouraging his efforts you're just breaking his spirit. whats the point of building a new useful site to useful form if its main users are talking trash about it?

i like both demozoo and openid concept alot and i hope gasman keeps working on both of them, connecting to scene.org, pouet.net and sceneid a very welcomed plus.

keops: gasman is just doing what he said he would be doing from the beginning. He has always been open about this and even discussed this with the rest of pouet before he started doing it, so I really don't see why some people are suddenly attacking him over this. Scamp just seems to have missed that original discussion, but you were actually supporting him back then and now you say things like "I still don't understand..." while you seemed to understand it at first. It's ok if you criticize him about this openid thing or about him not doing enough to improve pouet, but don't say now that starting demozoo was a bad idea if you supported it at first.

Maybe it's going to slow, but demozoo already has things like the credits stuff which I do see as added value (and telling from the oneliners at demozoo.org I'm not the only one who sees that). And yes, I really would like to see these features in pouet v2.0 too. But that's not the topic of discussion here.

Sparcus : Yes, I still don't understand why no improvement has been done on pouet ever since.

I still don't understand why the layout is still fucked up on my browser and why it still look like some online linux manual.





I supported an idea I thought was good. Back then, I probably misunderstood what demozoo would be, my mistake. I did not fully get the crapID thing at the time, now I do and I don't dig it. Please allow me to change my mind and to dislike the idea now and to be disappointed in something I thought promising, bringing a REAL value to Pouet.

Sellz: indeed :)



It's a "clone", there's a lot of extra information in there (group members, detailed credits, and abilities to search for all prods involving a particular person, among other things). Also, demozoo indexes music and artwork which is something pouet doesn't do. If you still think it's unfair that he's doing this on his own site rather than fudging it onto pouet, I'll quote myself:

Sparcus : and yes, I could even change my mind once again in the future if demozoo proves to add real stuff compared to Pouet. But so far, I see nothing worth browsing both websites and I don't support crapID thing for the various reasons some people mentionned above.