live tracker controllers ?
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da project Monome :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awMgevUjx8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0A8xR8ieek
of course all the features of a tracker can't be controlled but these are damn nice real-time sequencers, aren't they ? =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awMgevUjx8g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0A8xR8ieek
of course all the features of a tracker can't be controlled but these are damn nice real-time sequencers, aren't they ? =)
A luxeed keyboard could do (nearly) the same thing, plus:
- 512 colours.
- It's cheaper than your thing.
- It's a keyboard :)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HpnUbF2nnrA
how cheaper?
Almost €100 without taxes.
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It's cheaper than your thing.
My wang was free of charge, though no doubt sex changes are expensive.
@zest, the monome is actually something you have to use with max/msp patches if you really wanna experience it... I still think it's a bit expensive for such a toy but it's great to use live... like daedelus is doing for years with his amazing own version as the monome has been sold right after the guy tested his engine with daedelus :)
@NH4OH: I think you kind of under rate the possibilities of the monome.
@NH4OH: I think you kind of under rate the possibilities of the monome.
hey how awesome is this amazing thing, as long as all your music conforms to 4, 8 or... yeah, 8 beat cycles it makes it super easy to play live!
if you play in 5s, 7s, 11s or compound time you can fuck off!
if you play in 5s, 7s, 11s or compound time you can fuck off!
actually forestcre it's max/msp so I strongly believe you can modify the patchs so it works compound the way you can handle it the best with the box... and i'm sure there is a way for it.
monome-> temp sold old
luxeed-> not available so it seems in europe (couldn't find a reseller)
any other suggestions?
luxeed-> not available so it seems in europe (couldn't find a reseller)
any other suggestions?
tenori-on.
developped by yamaha.
has the MOTIF engine built in.
http://www.global.yamaha.com/design/tenori-on/
But still, these are toys... music still is question of notes and time signature.
developped by yamaha.
has the MOTIF engine built in.
http://www.global.yamaha.com/design/tenori-on/
But still, these are toys... music still is question of notes and time signature.
mm. page under construction :(
specs also.
so I can't see if it sends midi out, when they are gonna sell it outside of the UK, how much it costs etc. etc.
Nice tools but the way I see it:
1)not easy to get by (I've got three musician stores within 5 minutes walking distance but haven't seen any of these yet)
2)expensive or freakin' expensive (for a student like me)
3)in the first few steps of the development-cycle
Ofcourse it's about the cook, not the kitchen when it concerns making music. I know that. Shiny lights do not sell records nor do sequencers.
specs also.
so I can't see if it sends midi out, when they are gonna sell it outside of the UK, how much it costs etc. etc.
Nice tools but the way I see it:
1)not easy to get by (I've got three musician stores within 5 minutes walking distance but haven't seen any of these yet)
2)expensive or freakin' expensive (for a student like me)
3)in the first few steps of the development-cycle
Ofcourse it's about the cook, not the kitchen when it concerns making music. I know that. Shiny lights do not sell records nor do sequencers.
And of course tenori is gonna be expensive... around 700 euros, aa few specs available, they'll soon launch it so let's stay tuned :/
what i mean is that there's a fundamental stumbling block in ergonomic reasoning here -
first premise - it would be initially more difficult to use one of these to control a rhythmic performance whose time isn't %4 (assuming equal understanding of both %4 and non %4 time signatures on the part of the musician). this is because any row of %4 buttons can easily be divided or grouped to span a 4, 8, 16 beat cycle or structure. however dividing, say, 16 buttons into 5s, 7s, 3s and so on is less intuitive, because either buttons are left over (and require cognitive effort to be 'ignored'), or the pattern doesn't fit, or the groupings necessary to make them fit are non-linear.
second premise - the problem is that each point on these interfaces is discreet, not part of a continuous ergonomic design.
why are all such interfaces 8x8 or 16x16 and so on? because anything else is impossible! given interfaces with some sort of discreet increments and no ability to physically change, as all these interfaces are, a '4s' interface is incompatible with '5s', which is totally unsuitable for '3s', which in turn doesn't work for '7s' and so on. hence the interfaces cater for the most usual western time signature. this i accept.
true versatility would come with interfaces either made of up discreet modular components, or with a reassignable spectrum (like a touchscreen ribbon controller). these exist at least.
anyway i can't sleep, sorry for the blurt, just trying to explain myself
first premise - it would be initially more difficult to use one of these to control a rhythmic performance whose time isn't %4 (assuming equal understanding of both %4 and non %4 time signatures on the part of the musician). this is because any row of %4 buttons can easily be divided or grouped to span a 4, 8, 16 beat cycle or structure. however dividing, say, 16 buttons into 5s, 7s, 3s and so on is less intuitive, because either buttons are left over (and require cognitive effort to be 'ignored'), or the pattern doesn't fit, or the groupings necessary to make them fit are non-linear.
second premise - the problem is that each point on these interfaces is discreet, not part of a continuous ergonomic design.
why are all such interfaces 8x8 or 16x16 and so on? because anything else is impossible! given interfaces with some sort of discreet increments and no ability to physically change, as all these interfaces are, a '4s' interface is incompatible with '5s', which is totally unsuitable for '3s', which in turn doesn't work for '7s' and so on. hence the interfaces cater for the most usual western time signature. this i accept.
true versatility would come with interfaces either made of up discreet modular components, or with a reassignable spectrum (like a touchscreen ribbon controller). these exist at least.
anyway i can't sleep, sorry for the blurt, just trying to explain myself
heh forestcre the real major flaw is the price :P
and actually forestcre is right on this point....
Still, 90% of the music released worldwide must be 4/4.
Somehow we can't blame them for trying something new in the music making world... it's been decades we are turning knobs, sliding faders and pushing on buttons.
Still, 90% of the music released worldwide must be 4/4.
Somehow we can't blame them for trying something new in the music making world... it's been decades we are turning knobs, sliding faders and pushing on buttons.
http://www.thummer.com/
a small box with a unique keyboard layout (kind of like a janko piano or accordion)
a small box with a unique keyboard layout (kind of like a janko piano or accordion)
woaw, now the question is: what's the framerate ?
keyboard scrollers \o/ !!!
keyboard scrollers \o/ !!!
YESS! Demo my keybo0ardz me beautiful!
That keyboard is 1337! It looks cool!
first album produced entirely on the Tenori-On, kinda repetitive and simplistic, not unpleasant though :)
And don't forget the Optimus 
keyboard :)
keyboard :)
Those keyboards are great for Tetris.