Ripping, cheating and re-releasing at Breakpoint and how we are going to deal with it
category: general [glöplog]
btw. does this mean rob is jarig authors will be forever banned from every party??! :(
kb: hast recht. bin ja schon still :-)
uns3een: the rob is jarig authors have retired from the scene anyhow so I suppose they don't mind :-)
...also the author changes each time it's submitted anyway. And, last but not least, it's running gag, and nobody really would try to collect compo prize money for it...
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nobody really would try to collect compo prize money for it...
In fact, the last time one of it's incarnations did (3rd place?!), the prize was abstained to the 4th place.
But if it *finally* wins 1st place, you bet somebody will :)
At Numerica a prize was collected for Rob is Jarig though, but that was a special Rob-is-jarig prize, not a regular prize (and I heard Ile was very happy with it :-)
It is really nice to read all those postings against my members and myself.
The only thing i can say to the whole shit:
It is correct that i picked up the pricemoney for sonics entry.
I did not know who submitted the entry and i did not even know that there was an entry in die competition from sonic until die price giving.
As a matter of fact, i was not informed that it was against the rules if the composer for it self was not present at the party cause i did not read the rules (why should i read about it, i was present at the party and had no trouble with such rules). I also did not know what track from sonic was in the competition, so i was also not able to realize that the track was released before.
My fault in this situation has been this one: I took too long time to take the price out to the send it back to scamp.
The reason for this was very simple, i just had to much trouble in my company and i did not manage to find the time.
The pricemoney was send to scamp at friday evening and should have arrived at scamp until today but (scamps says) it has not.
I really can not proove if this is the truth or not.
I only know (an also ace and sungam know) that i have send it out at friday.
Scamp: I just told you some days before in a private discussion that i really can not stand to see that everything always has to been cleared up in public. this ist just what we call in germay "rufmord".
Scamp, if you think you have to bann me, sonic or fzool or someone else for this stupid shit, do want you want to.
But think about what people might think about you.
Smash-Designs is active in the demoscene for more than 15 years and i guess we have a lot of friends in the scene and i think that a lot of people in the scene will miss us more than you.
I hope the sending will arrive tomorrow, but i really do not believe that scamp would tell the public that it has arrived, not after all those comments against me and my crew before.
AEG/Smash-DS
The only thing i can say to the whole shit:
It is correct that i picked up the pricemoney for sonics entry.
I did not know who submitted the entry and i did not even know that there was an entry in die competition from sonic until die price giving.
As a matter of fact, i was not informed that it was against the rules if the composer for it self was not present at the party cause i did not read the rules (why should i read about it, i was present at the party and had no trouble with such rules). I also did not know what track from sonic was in the competition, so i was also not able to realize that the track was released before.
My fault in this situation has been this one: I took too long time to take the price out to the send it back to scamp.
The reason for this was very simple, i just had to much trouble in my company and i did not manage to find the time.
The pricemoney was send to scamp at friday evening and should have arrived at scamp until today but (scamps says) it has not.
I really can not proove if this is the truth or not.
I only know (an also ace and sungam know) that i have send it out at friday.
Scamp: I just told you some days before in a private discussion that i really can not stand to see that everything always has to been cleared up in public. this ist just what we call in germay "rufmord".
Scamp, if you think you have to bann me, sonic or fzool or someone else for this stupid shit, do want you want to.
But think about what people might think about you.
Smash-Designs is active in the demoscene for more than 15 years and i guess we have a lot of friends in the scene and i think that a lot of people in the scene will miss us more than you.
I hope the sending will arrive tomorrow, but i really do not believe that scamp would tell the public that it has arrived, not after all those comments against me and my crew before.
AEG/Smash-DS
fucktro! fucktro! fucktro!
JA SCHLAGT EUCH ALLE DIE KÖPFE EIN!!!!!!!!!!111111111111einself
AEG: Yes, I too hope it arrives tomorrow so this is finally solved.
Still, it's not me who has brought you into this situation, if I once again may remind you of this. It's Fzool and Sonic. You guys had LOT of chances to clear this up. Like...
- Not cheating in the compo
- Telling us you don't really deserve the prize at the prizegiving
- Return it at the end of the prizegiving
- Contact us when you came home
- Contact us as soon as you found out something must be fishy about this competition prize
- Take action to my mail written to Sonic and You on April 11th
(All of this happened before I even mentioned this to the public)
- Really send back the prize as promised on April 11th
- Really send back the prize as promised again on April 16th
- Make sure the prize really arrives here today as agreed in our final deadline on Friday.
The problems you are having are simply because each of the 3 people involved in this gave us "not my fault" or complete silence all the time. Sonic lying about not knowing who cheated, Fzool not responding to this at all etc. So, yes, you indeed might be the innocent part here, but how can I tell? I can't know and don't WANT to know.
You are a group. You should be able to clear this up internally. If you care about your reputation inside the scene, you should have done something 2 weeks ago.
Since Breakpoint, I've only seen lame excuses, lies and failed cover-up attempts. I'm especially pissed that we got this "we don't know who submitted this, must be a joke" bullshit until we provided you the proof that the prod had been submitted from FZool's account.
If you are unhappy about this situation, then finally kick the asses of those who BROUGHT you into this situation, instead of whining about me pointing out the mere facts.
Still, it's not me who has brought you into this situation, if I once again may remind you of this. It's Fzool and Sonic. You guys had LOT of chances to clear this up. Like...
- Not cheating in the compo
- Telling us you don't really deserve the prize at the prizegiving
- Return it at the end of the prizegiving
- Contact us when you came home
- Contact us as soon as you found out something must be fishy about this competition prize
- Take action to my mail written to Sonic and You on April 11th
(All of this happened before I even mentioned this to the public)
- Really send back the prize as promised on April 11th
- Really send back the prize as promised again on April 16th
- Make sure the prize really arrives here today as agreed in our final deadline on Friday.
The problems you are having are simply because each of the 3 people involved in this gave us "not my fault" or complete silence all the time. Sonic lying about not knowing who cheated, Fzool not responding to this at all etc. So, yes, you indeed might be the innocent part here, but how can I tell? I can't know and don't WANT to know.
You are a group. You should be able to clear this up internally. If you care about your reputation inside the scene, you should have done something 2 weeks ago.
Since Breakpoint, I've only seen lame excuses, lies and failed cover-up attempts. I'm especially pissed that we got this "we don't know who submitted this, must be a joke" bullshit until we provided you the proof that the prod had been submitted from FZool's account.
If you are unhappy about this situation, then finally kick the asses of those who BROUGHT you into this situation, instead of whining about me pointing out the mere facts.
I liked the smoking discussion better. :(
@scamp: yes it was my account. so guess what, i am using my own account to fake compos?
you NEVER, NEVER contact myself. your first email arrived at my postbox long time after you start this shit here.
but going public isn't something new for you, i know. oh and please, ban me from breakpoint. it would be a pleasure for me. i will never ever attend breakpoint or any other expensive party from you again.
a simple sidenote for everybody contacting me at irc or via email, thanks for your support. we all know who is acting like a little child.
so go whining, kissel. if the money will not arrive tommorow, drop me an email with your bank account details.
bye bye for now, i will you leave you alone. for ever. scamp you are the biggest asshole i met in my whole live. congratulations.
you NEVER, NEVER contact myself. your first email arrived at my postbox long time after you start this shit here.
but going public isn't something new for you, i know. oh and please, ban me from breakpoint. it would be a pleasure for me. i will never ever attend breakpoint or any other expensive party from you again.
a simple sidenote for everybody contacting me at irc or via email, thanks for your support. we all know who is acting like a little child.
so go whining, kissel. if the money will not arrive tommorow, drop me an email with your bank account details.
bye bye for now, i will you leave you alone. for ever. scamp you are the biggest asshole i met in my whole live. congratulations.
Scamp:
Really, you never gave me a realistic chance to clear up anything internally.
The first time i heard anything about the whole shit was here in die public on pouet.
Nobody came to me and asked me or something like that.
And to Sonic and Fzool, nobody wanted to cheat or something like this.
Fzool just put a track into the competition for the reason to have some more c64 releases at the party. In der last few years the c64 releases got less and less. And as a matter of fact, in the last about 6 or more years it has never been a problem if a c64 entry was given to a competition to get some releases (and yes, in each year it has been against the rules and nobody cared).
Sonic did not know about the fact that the track was in the competition, and it doesnt matter what you thing to know scamp.
I was the one who told sonic at the telephone after the party that he had an entry in die competion and got the 3rd place and that i did not know who submitted the track.
How ever, but i hope that most people in the scene will think like me, if problems like those appear, than go an talk to the people directly and do not got into the public at first.
There are other ways to clear such things without the public.
My personal opinion scamp, you are only able to clear such problems in the public and destroy names and start wars.
This is the only problem i see in die whole thing.
And for what ? 40 Eur and a Digital Dreams DVD ????????????
People could guess we are here talking about thousands of Eurs...
I know scamp, it is always easy to write shit into the internet without knowing what you are writing and who really did what.
And it is also easy to excuse for it if you realize that you made a mistake.
But the our names has been fucked up in die public and this is not that easy to clear this again.
Thank you very much for this.
AEG / Smash-DS
Really, you never gave me a realistic chance to clear up anything internally.
The first time i heard anything about the whole shit was here in die public on pouet.
Nobody came to me and asked me or something like that.
And to Sonic and Fzool, nobody wanted to cheat or something like this.
Fzool just put a track into the competition for the reason to have some more c64 releases at the party. In der last few years the c64 releases got less and less. And as a matter of fact, in the last about 6 or more years it has never been a problem if a c64 entry was given to a competition to get some releases (and yes, in each year it has been against the rules and nobody cared).
Sonic did not know about the fact that the track was in the competition, and it doesnt matter what you thing to know scamp.
I was the one who told sonic at the telephone after the party that he had an entry in die competion and got the 3rd place and that i did not know who submitted the track.
How ever, but i hope that most people in the scene will think like me, if problems like those appear, than go an talk to the people directly and do not got into the public at first.
There are other ways to clear such things without the public.
My personal opinion scamp, you are only able to clear such problems in the public and destroy names and start wars.
This is the only problem i see in die whole thing.
And for what ? 40 Eur and a Digital Dreams DVD ????????????
People could guess we are here talking about thousands of Eurs...
I know scamp, it is always easy to write shit into the internet without knowing what you are writing and who really did what.
And it is also easy to excuse for it if you realize that you made a mistake.
But the our names has been fucked up in die public and this is not that easy to clear this again.
Thank you very much for this.
AEG / Smash-DS
You are aware of this issue since you cheated. I could not mail you because Sonic preferred to lie instead of pointing us into your direction. I can't mail someone if I don't yet know he's involved. You preferred your groupmates to get blamed by staying silent. Why didn't you tell AEG that you were bringing him into trouble when he went to the stage? You did your very best to make sure this issue doesn't get resolved.
It's fine that you don't care getting banned. It's up to your groupmates to decide if they find it ok that you are destroying their reputation during your destructive course.
It's fine that you don't care getting banned. It's up to your groupmates to decide if they find it ok that you are destroying their reputation during your destructive course.
My objective oppinion as demoscene lover would disklike not to see a Smash Design demo anymore at bp, but more interests are being served than just mine :) I wont come inbetween your quarrel..
Just solve it and live happyly ever after.. Cheers!
Just solve it and live happyly ever after.. Cheers!
aeg: On April 11th you told me that Sonic had just called you, telling you that he didn't know him making Fzool enter his old entry had been against the rules. So, first statement (CSDB) was "I don't know who handed this in, must have been a joke", second one was "Sonic+Fzool did it, but didn't know it's against the rules" and now we are back at "Sonic didn't know about it"?
Sorry, but this is getting silly.
And again: You have been contacted before anything was made public. And before that, there had been plenty of chances for you guys clearing this up internally. Fzool could have resolved this from the very first day on, telling you he cheated (no matter which of the Sonic-stories is the truth now), and made you return the prize.
Goddamn, what can be so hard about "we screwed up due to Fzool, sorry, we'll send back the prize now and won't repeat such a crap"? That's what you guys should have done, plain and simple.
Sorry, but this is getting silly.
And again: You have been contacted before anything was made public. And before that, there had been plenty of chances for you guys clearing this up internally. Fzool could have resolved this from the very first day on, telling you he cheated (no matter which of the Sonic-stories is the truth now), and made you return the prize.
Goddamn, what can be so hard about "we screwed up due to Fzool, sorry, we'll send back the prize now and won't repeat such a crap"? That's what you guys should have done, plain and simple.
so much ado about nothing.
but it makes great pouet play ;D
but it makes great pouet play ;D
Scamp: I allways told you exactly the same. I called sonic, sonic and me did not know who gave the track into the competition (we both were nearly sure that ist has been fzool, but we did not know at first).
Sonic wrote some lines before on csdb (maybe, i did not know about that) cause he had seen the results file from the party before.
Why did fzool not tell me anything about it and just let me go to pickup the pricemoney? Just simple, Fzool was not present at bp anymore.
And fzool did not expect that sonic get under the first three places and he simply forgot to tell me about it.
What is that fucking complicated about this?
Nobody wanted to cheat or "steal" price money.
I think we just have to call it "the track must be disqualified caused by breaking rules" but noone stole anything.
People just voted for the track without knowing that it was against the rules.
And a last time: I got an email from Scamp on 11.04.2007 but the email arrived me hours later than the first postings against me were placed out pouet.
And this is definetly the wrong way!!
We know that we had nothing evil on our minds with this track in the competition und we know that we send out the pricemoney back to scamp.
People should make their own decision in who they want to believe, us oder people who allways need to discuss everything first in the public.
Nothing more to say from my side or from our whole crew.
AEG from and for Smash-Designs.
Keep on creating demos instead of making such a stupid trouble.
Sonic wrote some lines before on csdb (maybe, i did not know about that) cause he had seen the results file from the party before.
Why did fzool not tell me anything about it and just let me go to pickup the pricemoney? Just simple, Fzool was not present at bp anymore.
And fzool did not expect that sonic get under the first three places and he simply forgot to tell me about it.
What is that fucking complicated about this?
Nobody wanted to cheat or "steal" price money.
I think we just have to call it "the track must be disqualified caused by breaking rules" but noone stole anything.
People just voted for the track without knowing that it was against the rules.
And a last time: I got an email from Scamp on 11.04.2007 but the email arrived me hours later than the first postings against me were placed out pouet.
And this is definetly the wrong way!!
We know that we had nothing evil on our minds with this track in the competition und we know that we send out the pricemoney back to scamp.
People should make their own decision in who they want to believe, us oder people who allways need to discuss everything first in the public.
Nothing more to say from my side or from our whole crew.
AEG from and for Smash-Designs.
Keep on creating demos instead of making such a stupid trouble.
ACK, end of discussion for me too.
we need a smash designs demo next year in the democompo, cos otherwise i have to pick some other demo for my pee-break :((((
Meanwhile..
hahaha :)
lol ;)