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Danzig: Claiming that psychology is a waste of time is supposed to by insightful or "useful"? Only on pouet...



added on the 2006-11-12 17:19:13 by Stelthzje Stelthzje
no - also in the church of scientology

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Spock: It's not like I'm trying to debunk science, or any other well known fact. It's just the truth, psychology doesn't work for a lot of people, so in the end they just get stuck on happy pills so that their emotions get blunted and they don't care what problems they have.. I was on them for a while, my brother has been on them for 12 years, and my ex-girlfriend was on them at 14, before I even met her.

I studied psychology for 2 years aiming for a degree, until I realised that the field is so disjointed and contradictory and subject to interpretation I just gave up any hope of it helping anyone. A lot of the 'help' part comes from relating to someone's problems and helping them find their own solution, but the way it works atm is you just listen to the symptoms, try to make it fit with a predefined label, and then give them a predefined set of tasks / thought exercises. Believe me, it just doesn't help when someone is downright depressed and they don't know why. People go there looking for answers and end up trying to fix a problem they probably never had.
added on the 2006-11-13 01:23:48 by chameleon chameleon
chameleon: But of course psychology isn't just a combo of freudian psychoanalysis and hastily prescribed pills. Cognitive therapy is for example highly successful (90% or more success rate) in treating several identifiable psychological disorders, such as common depression. Saying that it "doesn't work for a lot of people" would be stretching it quite far...
added on the 2006-11-13 12:25:06 by Radiant Radiant
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yeah
added on the 2006-11-13 16:01:47 by dalezr dalezr
anes: SANITARIUM!!!! \o/
added on the 2006-11-13 16:36:45 by Gargaj Gargaj
good luck to you, Optimus. Really.
added on the 2006-11-13 16:42:31 by elfh elfh
radiantx: What's more, those hastily prescribed pills do tend to work. And even if the effects are temporary, for a truly sick patient that can make all the difference. And the idea that psychiatric drugs never really work mostly comes from people being afraid of what the implications would be if they did.
added on the 2006-11-13 19:43:26 by doomdoom doomdoom
Doom^IRIS: Yeah, they do work better than placebo (the success rate for treatment of clinical depression with SSRI's is about 40%), but they are often not the most effective treatment, and psychiatrists (as opposed to psychologists) are IME very prone to prescribing their favourite brand of pills after they have labeled the patient with their favourite brand of diagnosis (based on a ten to fifteen minute interview), and in such cases medicine can often do more harm than good. That being said, the most successful form of treatment (at least when it comes to depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorders) is a combination of medication and cognitive therapy.

(This is just another parenthesis to add up the total parenthesis count in this post.)
added on the 2006-11-13 19:55:58 by Radiant Radiant
radiantx: They don't just work better than placebo. They actually simply work much of the time. Even those pills that are basically just downers and have nasty side-effects like physical addiction can save lives. SSRIs alone can cure depression, although therapy on the side doesn't hurt, of course.

As for how many therapists are too eager to diagnose and prescribe pills, I don't know enough of them to say. But I do have the impression that most people are irrationally opposed to using drugs to treat mental illness.

I've heard people say things like "they only make you feel like you're happy, but you're actually not". And I still don't know what the difference between feeling happy and being happy is. The sad thing is that they keep coming up with better drugs, making people all the more desperate in clinging to their belief that they're really spiritual beings and that what goes on in your brain doesn't have anything to do with who you are.

They'll say things like, "come on, they said the same about electroshock therapy in the 30s", but little do they know that it's still administered today, and that it has a high success rate too.

See, not one paranthesis. I have special talents.
added on the 2006-11-13 21:34:34 by doomdoom doomdoom
Doom^IRIS: I see your point, and I agree there is an often irrational disapproval of medicine as psychotherapy. But when you've been thrown from diagnosis to diagnosis and pill to pill, each new one making you worse than the last, you tend to get quite cynical about the process. Those are not days I would like to experience again, and I am happy I won't, thanks to successful cognitive treatment in combination with an SSRI. There is a haphazardousness and ignorance about the whole way psychiatrists approach their patients as "textbook cases", immediately seeing what they'd like to see instead of carefully collecting data over time, and then conducting an analysis. My gripe is not with medicine in itself, but in the way it is carelessly handed out or even forced on patients.
added on the 2006-11-13 21:51:59 by Radiant Radiant
radiantx: Well, obviously, if two therapists give you different diagnoses, then at least one of them maybe should be doing something else with his life. I guess there is a bit of a conflict between the way mental illness is diagnosed and how the pills work. So I guess what you want to do when a therapist suggests a given type of pill is go back home, look that pill up and see which part of your chemistry it's supposed to regulate, then go to a regular doctor and have that part of your chemistry tested clinically. Although I'm not sure how you test for stuff like serotonin deficiency. It might be nasty.

Another possibility, which of course would require a lot of prescriptions, but one I think all you psychiatrists out there should consider, is a sort of binary search approach:

You start by collecting one of every type of pill there is. Then you eat half of them. If you feel better you know one of the pills you ate is right for you. If not, you try the other half. This way you've limited your search to half of all the drugs in the world. Then you divide that half into two halves and try each in the same way. Now you've narrowed your search to one quarter of the all the potential treatments. You keep recursing like that until you're left with one pill and then you've found your cure in only log n steps.

Maybe I should apply for a patent.
added on the 2006-11-13 22:55:20 by doomdoom doomdoom
I am not sure if I should open this thread but there is an interesting discussion going on here.

Sometimes I get mad or dissatisfied of how people react to my diagnosis (I am preety sure it's OCD, not a kind of paranoia, it just sounds like this because I mention it too much but who cares ;P). Also how they do agree or disagree about the use of medical treatment.

In my case, the psychiatrist couldn't do more (like talking with me actually) than write me a prescription because he was an army doctor and didn't cared more than having his conscience at ease (So that I don't take a G3A3 and shoot my brains, although I doubt this might happen ;P). Though, since I already knew my diagnosis and wanted to verify how the other side feels like, I need to experiment with the medicine and see the changes upon me, no matter what other people said.

Some of them were afraid (my parents) and thought medicine is for elderly people and I am all right and fine, some friends didn't liked the mechanical feel of treating this with pure medicine, they thought about psychological problems (but psychology is maybe not a very good idea for OCD, because the problem is not to analyze the of the inhalt of the bad thoughts (This will create more confusing thoughts), but the fact that each stupid occurence can produce unwanted anxiety)

Nobody understands but why should I care? It's me who has the experience now and knows. SSRIs were helpfull for my case because I have seen and compared the diferrence of being under their influence. I have seen that I have sometimes so negative feelings for senseless things because something in my brain really influences me negatively and I was surprised to see how I was magically not influenced after weeks of trying the medicine. Now, because I have a week or more since I stoped them (because I was more late than I thought at talking with the army officers (bad programm/planning) to drive me to the hospital to prescribe another one from the doctor, but I will do very soon now), I have seen the old side of me (and I am preety much observant and analytical of my feelings in realtime here) and I can't wait to get back into the good mood. Maybe, because I am observant of those surprising diferrences and made a good analysis of what's going on, a personal cognitive process under the influence have already begun (that's what I believe). But I need to be more under the influence to learn more.

In very few words, the only thing I care now is the way I can feel. I misunderstood my feelings and was overanalyzing the problems that created them, while the problem was the way I feel. Though, only these medicine atm can make me feel good no matter the deep shit I can be into. And they have tought me a lot..
added on the 2006-11-16 20:02:11 by Optimus Optimus
I remember what happened the night I wrote this. I was in the army. I went out with some other soldiers to eat something. There was ouzo too. One person had another weakness, anger. Another person was so robotic and recited the things I hated. I drank the ouzo fast. The angry person didn't liked it. I hated him. I hated myself. I left.

When I read the things I wrote in the past pouet I feel kinda weird. Maybe ashamed. Not that I disagree. But it's different now.

I have become a cynic. There is no answer to all these, the road leads you to become a misanthrope. Even if I hardly harm people. But if they tell me the same things I will be arrogant next time. Or I will lie to them. I will play with them. This was also my plan for 2009. I got confused and thought there is no reason to argue anymore about what's right and what's wrong. Even in autistic communities people fight about what is autism and what is not. It's disgusting!

I came to the conclusion. I will just let myself be whatever I want and don't give a fuck. Which some people may translate as "I will fuck people and will not care". As if those who claim to 'care' ever did. It's all a lie..

The road leads to misanthropy.
added on the 2009-08-28 11:22:06 by Optimus Optimus
@Optanes: Is that from Sanitarium? Maybe I should play it..

..I don't know why I revived the thread. When I read it again something triggered on me and I wanted to write..
added on the 2009-08-28 11:23:23 by Optimus Optimus
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I remember what happened the night I wrote this.

Nobody cares.
added on the 2009-08-28 12:39:43 by gloom gloom
No im GOD.

Check your latin!
added on the 2009-08-28 12:41:07 by Deus Deus
I think Deus should be Optimus' personal therapist from now on

if anyone can whip him up into shape it's him
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We're back.
added on the 2009-08-28 15:48:39 by xernobyl xernobyl
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
just need to take the medicine because they finished and maybe in 2-3 days I will be in black mood..

It's hard to explain you my feelings. Nothing terrible has happened, life will continue tomorrow. Really nothing bad happened, like the real life's bad things. Really really.

Mmm,. I have for each piece of my sentence to try to explain you my perception in great detail and struggle. And if it would make any diferrence..

Some people say "They don't understand me". And that sounds stupid to most and they have a general idea about life and everything, common ideas and they can't see through the other side.

That sounds maybe offensive to the people because they might think that the individual says "I am in a higher state than you in mentality and that's why you don't understand me". While I don't want to see this sometimes I believe it (when I am angry). Forget this for I don't care. I want to be able to explain how I feel..

And it's about feeling. It's hard to explain it if the other individual doesn't feel the same.

As I move on I found new things that explain my problems and the objections of the other people about all these. I find about my OCD that explains why I am like this and why I even struggle to break your balls instead of taking it easy. I find that maybe the reason why people tell me to get a life is that they don't understand why I don't feel miserable as I am. And they don't understand I feel good with the things I am doing no matter if I am missing things other people find important. They don't understand and I didn't understand that there was never a problem!!!

I have gone through new ways and tried to explain them new things. That things with the perceptions were sounding like new pretendable theories and they got the same signal "That I still have a problem and they are here to 'help' me" (But they really put more bad ideas in my head!). But the OCD is a practical thing, a thing I think I could explain well. STILL THEY WOULD SAY THE SAME PREDICTABLE THINGS!!!

IS IT THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ME OR THAT THEY ARE ROBOTIC AUTOMATA REACTING WITH THE SAME PREDICTABLE ANSWERS!!! (And maybe I am doing the same thing too, e.g. I use the word Predictable too much and it's like an obsession for me, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF DIFERRENT PERCEPTIONS NOT BEING ABLE TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER!!!)

OK. IMPORTANT. In all the discussion about life, my life, get a life, girls, the universe and everything:
--------------------------------------

THE "TRUTHS" (FACTS) THAT:
* Humans are similar
* Humans are diferrent so they are similar
* We must be balanced (Pan Metron Ariston)
* What I say is reaction, defenses I've build inside me to not do things.
* I am lazy
* I am stupid
* Life is girls, living well, blah, blah, DEFINE LIFE
* You must do many things in life DEFINE LIFE
* Doing a thing too much Focused (BUt focus or perfection is a part of my OCD I know now)
* LIFE DEFINITION usually are the PREDICTABLE things you here
* WHen I say PREDICTABLE. Imagine when your teacher told you to write an essay about a subject. In your mind POPED UP predictable answers you have HEARD FREQUENTLY. Answers that are popular to most people and are COMMON TRUTHS (SOCIAL TRUTHS). "TRUTHS".
* You have the feeling that you right PREDICTABLE things and all agree so you have the great feeling that they are right.
**** IMPORTANT IMPORTANT
**** I DON'T SAY THAT ALL THESE THINGS ARE WRONG!!! I DON'T DISAGREE..

But all these years, I heared these things again and again because most people repeat them because you hear them everywhere and you repeat them everywhere.
THOSE THINGS BECAME OBSESSIVE NEGATIVE THOUGHTS ABOUT ME HAVING NO LIFE IN THE PAST. THEY KILLED ME. I only know that OCD played a role too. Now I try to explain that to them and they don't understand. Now I know further things and I have new things to tell them, they say the same things. And some claim my OCD things is bullshit!!! AGHHH!!!

Stupid Ignorants.

p.s. And then I have a little fight in a taberna and someone say I am antisocial and only think of myself. With other predictable and SURFICIAL answers that doesn't connect, they don't know me in deep and of course I don't know them in deep because maybe all people might be robots, automata, and they say the same thing and don't think further. FUCK YOU ALL!!!

======

Maybe Nietzsche is closer to my understanding. Hopefully he is dead, so there is no chance I'd ever meet him and he'd ALSO dissapoint me, because I'd think I differ too much from him and he doesn't understand me too.

Also, Nietzsche my almost friend, I had an sarcastical answer to your "Whatever doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

Whatever doesn't kill you, it might kill you later ;P

..hope you understand the irony, my Friedrich.

..totally dissapointed about everything, but stronger for a cause than ever (that may kill me in the darkness and that will be the end of my precious path where I shall finally rest into eternity)
.... yea right
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@Optimus : Psychological troubles are ill-defined and you may have a combination of those. Thinking people think like robots (except you) is a symptom of Derealization. Consider the fact that people are not acting not robots and feel as interesting as you from their point of view.

Also : meditation and more exercise may cure you. Stop thinking.
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added on the 2009-08-28 17:01:07 by Rob Rob
Sorry. I shouldn't have revived this thread.
added on the 2009-08-28 17:39:57 by Optimus Optimus

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