Am I the only scener who is interested about unexplained phenomena and such shit?
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My greek scene friends are really making fun of Strange Egnarts, my favorite paranormal magazine. Generally, I feel like people who are more into computers, scene, technology, science really despise such things. It's logical because we are too logical beings. Or maybe most of us doesn't believe in spiritual things and some attribute the same stupidity of paranormal freaks to religious people. And there are many atheists on the scene too. But no paranormal freaks?
Well, as for me, I can't say I believe all these stuff (I am always in doubt and since I wasn't there to see it with my eyes I can't say I believe), but I really love reading such paranormal stories with such an awe, it just creates a feeling. Maybe it's useless for me but it's similar as people reading fictional stories, but now the feeling remains that all those amazing or scary shit could be true! There are some things I like more than others. Everything having to do with aliens, ufo, secret scientific experiments, alternative realities, conspiracies are more interesting to me (and some of the philosophical stuff too) than the more spiritual shit (astral projection, ghosts, EVP, etc) though I sometimes get hooked by the second category.
I wish more true researchers and scientists than than newage people get into these matters and view them under a diferrent perspective. Till now we here a story, another story, but most of us read stories and don't research further. I'd like to research into these stuff too, though it's not my first hobby, I just read for the awe of it but there is not much meaning for me to go into debate about the truth of these things as most pure readers do.
Anyways, are there are other sceners who are even slightly get hooked by such things?
Well, as for me, I can't say I believe all these stuff (I am always in doubt and since I wasn't there to see it with my eyes I can't say I believe), but I really love reading such paranormal stories with such an awe, it just creates a feeling. Maybe it's useless for me but it's similar as people reading fictional stories, but now the feeling remains that all those amazing or scary shit could be true! There are some things I like more than others. Everything having to do with aliens, ufo, secret scientific experiments, alternative realities, conspiracies are more interesting to me (and some of the philosophical stuff too) than the more spiritual shit (astral projection, ghosts, EVP, etc) though I sometimes get hooked by the second category.
I wish more true researchers and scientists than than newage people get into these matters and view them under a diferrent perspective. Till now we here a story, another story, but most of us read stories and don't research further. I'd like to research into these stuff too, though it's not my first hobby, I just read for the awe of it but there is not much meaning for me to go into debate about the truth of these things as most pure readers do.
Anyways, are there are other sceners who are even slightly get hooked by such things?
I love x-files... I know a (sort of) scener that has a book about UFOs in his room. :)
I like X-files too. Watching it in the past, I have a lot of years to watch the old episodes and after the 4th cycle I stopped watching them because the greek television didn't buy the latter cycles. And now I was always forgetting to get them into DVD and rewatch them again. Maybe I'll get a small DVD player to watch them in the army? :)
I have 3 UFO books in my room (by greek researcher Sokrates Aikatairinidhs), 2 Carlos Castaneda books, book about escaping from the matrix(!), book about urban legends, maybe 1-2 more, I don't remember. I have much less books than some paranormal freaks I know, maybe because I usually can't find much time to read many books because of my demoscene activities and I haven't read half of the books I have bought yet. I even have a book by Carl Sagan who watches those things under a diferrent perspective. Interesting too..
I have 3 UFO books in my room (by greek researcher Sokrates Aikatairinidhs), 2 Carlos Castaneda books, book about escaping from the matrix(!), book about urban legends, maybe 1-2 more, I don't remember. I have much less books than some paranormal freaks I know, maybe because I usually can't find much time to read many books because of my demoscene activities and I haven't read half of the books I have bought yet. I even have a book by Carl Sagan who watches those things under a diferrent perspective. Interesting too..
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I even have a book by Carl Sagan who watches those things under a diferrent perspective. Interesting too..
it seems you haven't read this one yet too.
I have read it and tried to read it twice. LOL.
I know those phenomena have become a mainstream for several people and it looks like stupidity now, I know why Carl feels it's dangerous or something, how people believe easilly in such stuff and UFOs became a mass mania in America, but it doesn't mean the whole matter is bogus. There are good researchers, it doesn't mean that if you are hooked by such stuff you are stupid, in fact I am sceptic too but not like fanatic sceptics. I despise the methods of CSICOP though I can truly understand the reason why it exists. Paranormal has become a mainstream stupidity but I just can't let it go. I find something interesting in it, I just look at it under my own personal perspective. I am between two worlds.
I know those phenomena have become a mainstream for several people and it looks like stupidity now, I know why Carl feels it's dangerous or something, how people believe easilly in such stuff and UFOs became a mass mania in America, but it doesn't mean the whole matter is bogus. There are good researchers, it doesn't mean that if you are hooked by such stuff you are stupid, in fact I am sceptic too but not like fanatic sceptics. I despise the methods of CSICOP though I can truly understand the reason why it exists. Paranormal has become a mainstream stupidity but I just can't let it go. I find something interesting in it, I just look at it under my own personal perspective. I am between two worlds.
That is the the book.
In fact, a friend suggested it to me, because he had seen I was too much into paranormal stories and stuff, though I found it interesting and I like Carl Sagan from his Cosmos series. And I'll read it twice because I don't remember much I had read out of the book.
In fact, a friend suggested it to me, because he had seen I was too much into paranormal stories and stuff, though I found it interesting and I like Carl Sagan from his Cosmos series. And I'll read it twice because I don't remember much I had read out of the book.
well it says the universe is still interesting enough even without those paranormal fairy tales and i can't disagree. all those ufo stories, astrology, alchemy, religion and any other kind of spritualism work quite well as fiction or fantasy. but for interpreting real world we should stick to scientific method. and science is not a club which is open for some upper portion society, it is the system of experimenting, verifying, proving, disproving arguments. that makes the scientific method to be used within any pane which you look into life through. it's simply the way of "logic" not some "belief" or "sense".
though i'm fine with any method chosen by individuals, be it religion, be it paranormalizm, be it astrology; i'm not fine with their worldwide impacts or huge mass demands for spritualism.
it's not about believing or not believing ufos. it's about seeing that you don't have enough experimental data to verify extraterrestrial existance (or nonexistance) and feeling the urge to discover if we can find any. that's why we have astronomy.
make the analogy for other systematic bullshitting ways yourself.
though i'm fine with any method chosen by individuals, be it religion, be it paranormalizm, be it astrology; i'm not fine with their worldwide impacts or huge mass demands for spritualism.
it's not about believing or not believing ufos. it's about seeing that you don't have enough experimental data to verify extraterrestrial existance (or nonexistance) and feeling the urge to discover if we can find any. that's why we have astronomy.
make the analogy for other systematic bullshitting ways yourself.
People love paranormal as it's another reality. This is a dimension where everything can happen and so this is good for the "new" effect. Everything new attract people because we are all curious, well most of us. Americans are fond of UFO and spend a lot of money on that kind of research. But sceners are focused on demos as it's the core of the scene. And demos are made with logic for coders. And we are there to see good code, isn't it?
if you read crazy books about ufo:s that you might not want to take that serious it migth help you to learn not to take carl sagan too serious as well. words on a paper, regardless of if they are written by a spiritualist or a scientist, are still just words on paper...
I'm to fucking tired to read, less write anything in this thread, so I'll just post this pic:
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Carl Sagan had a scientific aproach to the subject. He never claimed there are aliens! He just talked about the different possibilities for them to exist.if you read crazy books about ufo:s that you might not want to take that serious it migth help you to learn not to take carl sagan too serious as well. words on a paper, regardless of if they are written by a spiritualist or a scientist, are still just words on paper...
A very nice book by Carl Sagan about aliens is Contact. Is not really about aliens, but it has very advanced aliens ;)
Read Siddhartha from Hesse.
Don't take lithis very seriously: he has just wrote words on BBS
xernobyl: Visitors are real!!!!!
and im one of them.
and im one of them.
nanook: BBS is not on paper and therefor more truthful. everything on the pouet bbs should be taken with grim seriousness.
fermi paradox and drake equation are your best friends.
i've been wondering about anal probing for a while now.
skrebbel, are you coming to tum? i could teach you...
everyone should read stanislaw lem - summa technologiae.
If you are interested in unexplained phenomena, quite computers and join natural science. It is still full of unexplained phenomena.
>well it says the universe is still interesting enough even
>without those paranormal fairy tales and i can't
And even more interesting with those paranormal tales too :)
>disagree. all those ufo stories, astrology, alchemy,
>religion and any other kind of spritualism work quite well
> as fiction or fantasy. but for interpreting real world we
>should stick to scientific method.
Or we could also do some research on some of the phenomena with scientific methods. Several phenomena are there and the case is not closed, some stories still remain strange. (Though I was never there at the place of happening to verify these stories I've heard). It would be good that some scientists are willing do true scientific research on some of these strange things, without having a prejudiced focus during their research on trying to proove or disproove them with any means, like some sceptics or paranormal freaks do (I want to believe).
Regardless if someone uses the scientific or belief system, the paranormal phenomena still seem to exist (Ok, they are stories for me, I haven't seen anything personally with my eyes). It's not the phenomena that are not scientific, it's the way most of the paranormal freaks research on them (based on their personal beliefs or making out theories that cannot be prooven). There is an attribute of paranormal phenomenta to stupidity, etc. just because most people don't go the scientific way. But that doesn't mean that someone who is reading/researching on these stuff is a stupid believer. Or you can't attribute the paranormal phenomena themselves alone with something non scientific, but you could do that on the theories and belief on them.
>it's not about believing or not believing ufos. it's about
>seeing that you don't have enough experimental data
>to verify extraterrestrial existance (or nonexistance) and
> feeling the urge to discover if we can find any.
I agree with that. Unfortunatelly most of the paranormal stuff doesn't appear frequently so that scientists can easilly have the phenomena in front of them for a long time and research them. And probably they have more interesting works to research on..
I just like the shit and don't believe in them. Don't believe doesn't mean dibelief for me. I neither belief these are true or false. My view is like the cat of schroediger for me. Stories that could be anything. I just wasn't there yet to know and see it with my eyes.
>without those paranormal fairy tales and i can't
And even more interesting with those paranormal tales too :)
>disagree. all those ufo stories, astrology, alchemy,
>religion and any other kind of spritualism work quite well
> as fiction or fantasy. but for interpreting real world we
>should stick to scientific method.
Or we could also do some research on some of the phenomena with scientific methods. Several phenomena are there and the case is not closed, some stories still remain strange. (Though I was never there at the place of happening to verify these stories I've heard). It would be good that some scientists are willing do true scientific research on some of these strange things, without having a prejudiced focus during their research on trying to proove or disproove them with any means, like some sceptics or paranormal freaks do (I want to believe).
Regardless if someone uses the scientific or belief system, the paranormal phenomena still seem to exist (Ok, they are stories for me, I haven't seen anything personally with my eyes). It's not the phenomena that are not scientific, it's the way most of the paranormal freaks research on them (based on their personal beliefs or making out theories that cannot be prooven). There is an attribute of paranormal phenomenta to stupidity, etc. just because most people don't go the scientific way. But that doesn't mean that someone who is reading/researching on these stuff is a stupid believer. Or you can't attribute the paranormal phenomena themselves alone with something non scientific, but you could do that on the theories and belief on them.
>it's not about believing or not believing ufos. it's about
>seeing that you don't have enough experimental data
>to verify extraterrestrial existance (or nonexistance) and
> feeling the urge to discover if we can find any.
I agree with that. Unfortunatelly most of the paranormal stuff doesn't appear frequently so that scientists can easilly have the phenomena in front of them for a long time and research them. And probably they have more interesting works to research on..
I just like the shit and don't believe in them. Don't believe doesn't mean dibelief for me. I neither belief these are true or false. My view is like the cat of schroediger for me. Stories that could be anything. I just wasn't there yet to know and see it with my eyes.
This interpretation of sumerian clay tablets and cylenders are very interresting (alltho not very likely).
http://www.sitchin.com/
http://www.sitchin.com/
