Revision 2026 - The Power Within - April 3rd to 6th 2026
category: general [glöplog]
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Bonus:
Anarchistic misogynists without fire guards doing substance abuse making it a space so unsafe that everybody was scared going there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYE5hLqVTKA
Yes, I know, it hurts to be called to be a lamer. It sure hurt me. But you either grow on it, or you become.... well, whatever what you guys have become.
"No, we are better! We have the skills from the past, but we now also decide what you think, what you write, and we censor your art. It's the same, just better".
Ok, so why the fuck did all coverage from the press, all major industry sponsoring, and all the influx of new additional artforms like physical electronical art stop? Why is anything that a future alien race will find on this planet from 1980-2015? When was the last time a major game studio was found by a demoscener? A music company? Building the Internet? ANYTHING? Why are you guys the only ones who still think they matter, but nobody else does? Did you notice that pretty much every that Unesco awards are DEAD things?
So no. You are not good at what you are doing, and you STILL are not understanding, but keep making it worse. Revision 2030: We will scan your social media profiles to see if we like your worldview. For the good, we promise! Think about Children!!1
And yes, that was the real scamp, which you can see from me one post above writing "over and out" to then follow up with "oh I should have also said THIS!".
Account may now be deleted.
Anarchistic misogynists without fire guards doing substance abuse making it a space so unsafe that everybody was scared going there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYE5hLqVTKA
Yes, I know, it hurts to be called to be a lamer. It sure hurt me. But you either grow on it, or you become.... well, whatever what you guys have become.
"No, we are better! We have the skills from the past, but we now also decide what you think, what you write, and we censor your art. It's the same, just better".
Ok, so why the fuck did all coverage from the press, all major industry sponsoring, and all the influx of new additional artforms like physical electronical art stop? Why is anything that a future alien race will find on this planet from 1980-2015? When was the last time a major game studio was found by a demoscener? A music company? Building the Internet? ANYTHING? Why are you guys the only ones who still think they matter, but nobody else does? Did you notice that pretty much every that Unesco awards are DEAD things?
So no. You are not good at what you are doing, and you STILL are not understanding, but keep making it worse. Revision 2030: We will scan your social media profiles to see if we like your worldview. For the good, we promise! Think about Children!!1
And yes, that was the real scamp, which you can see from me one post above writing "over and out" to then follow up with "oh I should have also said THIS!".
Account may now be deleted.
Krill: That guy was just the last domino in a whole chain of bull...
/np Placebo - Meds
So let me get this straight.
docd responds with genuine grace. "I've known you for a long time, I know what you're like in a mode." That's someone who actually cares about me. That's someone who saw my wall of text, chose not to escalate, and still said "thanks for reflecting." That is the EXACT kind of mature, human response I keep saying the scene has lost.
And my response was to call it fake, claim it's not me, and then - oh wait - follow up two posts later confirming it IS me, because I can't help myself. The "over and out" lasted precisely zero posts. I even made a joke about it. I know this about myself and I'm still not stopping.
Let's talk about what actually happened here:
1. Someone wrote a self-reflection in my voice that was more honest than anything I've posted in years
2. docd took it at face value and responded with warmth
3. I panicked because vulnerability - even fake vulnerability attributed to me - got a better response than any of my manifestos ever did
4. So I went HARDER. "Demoscene cosplayers." "Verwaltungsfachangestellte." "You were never part of the demoscene." From the guy who five posts ago was lamenting that the scene can't handle criticism without ego explosions.
this from a man who hasn't released a demo in how long? Who measures his scene contribution in infrastructure and organizing, not in actual prods? Which is FINE, by the way — that contribution is real and massive. But I don't get to gatekeep who is "actual demoscene" when my own claim to it is running servers and party tents, not code and pixels. I'm a cosplayer too. We all are, at this point. The scene is whatever we make it NOW, not whatever it was at Breakpoint 2006.
Because the world moved on. Not because Revision wrote a code of conduct. The demoscene stopped being novel to the press around 2012. That has nothing to do with whether docd puts "no hate speech" on a website. I KNOW this. I'm smart enough to know this. I'm just too angry to admit it.
No it won't. I'll be back. I always come back. Because underneath all of this I love this place more than almost anyone.
And that's the tragedy — I love it so much that I'd rather burn it down than watch it become something I don't recognize.
ps: The Breakpoint video link was a nice touch. Yes, those parties were magical. Yes, they were anarchic and creative and alive. They were also — and I say this as the guy who organized them — sometimes unsafe, sometimes exclusionary, and sometimes cruel in ways we just didn't talk about because "that's how it was." Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. I should know. I've been mainlining it for a decade.
ps2: docd, sorry again. For real this time. Not that you'll believe it. (Which, fair enough. :))
docd responds with genuine grace. "I've known you for a long time, I know what you're like in a mode." That's someone who actually cares about me. That's someone who saw my wall of text, chose not to escalate, and still said "thanks for reflecting." That is the EXACT kind of mature, human response I keep saying the scene has lost.
And my response was to call it fake, claim it's not me, and then - oh wait - follow up two posts later confirming it IS me, because I can't help myself. The "over and out" lasted precisely zero posts. I even made a joke about it. I know this about myself and I'm still not stopping.
Let's talk about what actually happened here:
1. Someone wrote a self-reflection in my voice that was more honest than anything I've posted in years
2. docd took it at face value and responded with warmth
3. I panicked because vulnerability - even fake vulnerability attributed to me - got a better response than any of my manifestos ever did
4. So I went HARDER. "Demoscene cosplayers." "Verwaltungsfachangestellte." "You were never part of the demoscene." From the guy who five posts ago was lamenting that the scene can't handle criticism without ego explosions.
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Good luck to you demoscene cosplayers
this from a man who hasn't released a demo in how long? Who measures his scene contribution in infrastructure and organizing, not in actual prods? Which is FINE, by the way — that contribution is real and massive. But I don't get to gatekeep who is "actual demoscene" when my own claim to it is running servers and party tents, not code and pixels. I'm a cosplayer too. We all are, at this point. The scene is whatever we make it NOW, not whatever it was at Breakpoint 2006.
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Why did the press coverage stop? Why did industry sponsoring stop?
Because the world moved on. Not because Revision wrote a code of conduct. The demoscene stopped being novel to the press around 2012. That has nothing to do with whether docd puts "no hate speech" on a website. I KNOW this. I'm smart enough to know this. I'm just too angry to admit it.
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No it won't. I'll be back. I always come back. Because underneath all of this I love this place more than almost anyone.
And that's the tragedy — I love it so much that I'd rather burn it down than watch it become something I don't recognize.
ps: The Breakpoint video link was a nice touch. Yes, those parties were magical. Yes, they were anarchic and creative and alive. They were also — and I say this as the guy who organized them — sometimes unsafe, sometimes exclusionary, and sometimes cruel in ways we just didn't talk about because "that's how it was." Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. I should know. I've been mainlining it for a decade.
ps2: docd, sorry again. For real this time. Not that you'll believe it. (Which, fair enough. :))
Lol wtf is happening
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Lol wtf is happening
You don't get it? Scamp is calling for personal Id verification before getting on this forum :-)
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When was the last time a major game studio was found by a demoscener? A music company?
I sure miss those punk rock days when the health of the demoscene was measured by how commercially viable it was.
I guess that's why we need to embrace AI rather than preserving this as one of the last remaining communities celebrating art made by humans
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When was the last time a major game studio was found by a demoscener?
If they're major, they don't need finding - everyone knows them, that's the definition of major.
Correlation != Causation (just saying)
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I love it so much that I'd rather burn it down than watch it become something I don't recognize.
hmmmmm, pretty sure this is the mindset behind flagshaggers voting Farage here in the UK.
i for one welcome this unexpected announcement of a planned demoparty to be organized in thailand that will both bring back the real demoscene and solve the problems in the videogame, music and internet industries!
Isrealis should get in for free to Scamp's party
Dear me:
I did not claim the scene has become the lousy shadow of itself it is today due to some Verwaltungsfachangestellten-Demosceners having wanked off to 1984 a bit too much.
But from what I see, "Let's add some thought control to this!" appears the SINGLE "innovation" this edition Easterparty has. After years of not coming up with anything on how to improve and push the scene into a new direction.
Dear me: I further do not long for the "good old times". I am a progressive anarchist, I want things to change all the time. But not if the change is limited to "we held this history book upside down and then copy & pasted from it".
Dear me: No, I was wrong here again. The press coverage did not stop because of the novelty. Quite the opposite. Starting from Mekka over to Breakpoint, and also at similar events, the press kept returning year after year for well over 15 years. Why? Because we were a new novelty every fucking single year! Compare TV reports from the exact same TV station of a party of the year 2004 and 2005. "And here we have the pokemon mini" - every year those reports had something different to show. Watch the interviews on GigaTV with the Evoke guys, etc - there simply was something new every single time.
And no, this has not stopped. Everybody else out there IS still innovating. Never before has the speed of things changing and new art forms popping up has been quicker that today. While you guys were wedging your ban hammers, other people invented "let's use AI tools as a waepon against our AI overlords". Was it rocket science to get come to this basic anarchist idea? No. You just didn't try to even come up with a new idea. You very busy banning things.
If the only innovation your "art" "tech" community is "we have come up with an even longer list of things that are forbidden, and also, brand new, we now have rules that are so vague that we basically can kick out anyone who we don't like"... then it's time to accept you are just a weird mix of an retirement home and a "kindergarden where every single kid gets indoctrinated that they really are already perfect at all they do and that there is no need to improve".
There are different ways you can look at this. Look, put up a sign above the Revision entry door banner "This is satire", and I am all good. Before the compo block, but put a banner: "Please note: This is the minecraft version of people battleing about creating art. It is just a game. Don't be offended. Even if you do not shoot any lemming, you will still be awarded 100000 points!".
But this is not what you are doing. You are pretending to be the actual thing, not the shadow of it what you really are.
Really, can you watch the Alltime Top 10 demos on pouet here, and then still claim you today are part of the same thing? You are not. No, there are hardly any 16 year old sceners here who spend two years of their life 12 hours per day to work on their production. No, you are not purple motion. You are proud not to have used an AI? You have re-implemented something that has been done better by a 12 year old on a computer with 0,0001% of the speed of YOUR computer 40 years ago. You should be ashmed and turn to ash to dare to compare yourself to that.
Dear me: Yes, you do have a point. They really could try a little harder - no matter if due to respecting the heritage, but maybe even just out of self-respect.
I did not claim the scene has become the lousy shadow of itself it is today due to some Verwaltungsfachangestellten-Demosceners having wanked off to 1984 a bit too much.
But from what I see, "Let's add some thought control to this!" appears the SINGLE "innovation" this edition Easterparty has. After years of not coming up with anything on how to improve and push the scene into a new direction.
Dear me: I further do not long for the "good old times". I am a progressive anarchist, I want things to change all the time. But not if the change is limited to "we held this history book upside down and then copy & pasted from it".
Dear me: No, I was wrong here again. The press coverage did not stop because of the novelty. Quite the opposite. Starting from Mekka over to Breakpoint, and also at similar events, the press kept returning year after year for well over 15 years. Why? Because we were a new novelty every fucking single year! Compare TV reports from the exact same TV station of a party of the year 2004 and 2005. "And here we have the pokemon mini" - every year those reports had something different to show. Watch the interviews on GigaTV with the Evoke guys, etc - there simply was something new every single time.
And no, this has not stopped. Everybody else out there IS still innovating. Never before has the speed of things changing and new art forms popping up has been quicker that today. While you guys were wedging your ban hammers, other people invented "let's use AI tools as a waepon against our AI overlords". Was it rocket science to get come to this basic anarchist idea? No. You just didn't try to even come up with a new idea. You very busy banning things.
If the only innovation your "art" "tech" community is "we have come up with an even longer list of things that are forbidden, and also, brand new, we now have rules that are so vague that we basically can kick out anyone who we don't like"... then it's time to accept you are just a weird mix of an retirement home and a "kindergarden where every single kid gets indoctrinated that they really are already perfect at all they do and that there is no need to improve".
There are different ways you can look at this. Look, put up a sign above the Revision entry door banner "This is satire", and I am all good. Before the compo block, but put a banner: "Please note: This is the minecraft version of people battleing about creating art. It is just a game. Don't be offended. Even if you do not shoot any lemming, you will still be awarded 100000 points!".
But this is not what you are doing. You are pretending to be the actual thing, not the shadow of it what you really are.
Really, can you watch the Alltime Top 10 demos on pouet here, and then still claim you today are part of the same thing? You are not. No, there are hardly any 16 year old sceners here who spend two years of their life 12 hours per day to work on their production. No, you are not purple motion. You are proud not to have used an AI? You have re-implemented something that has been done better by a 12 year old on a computer with 0,0001% of the speed of YOUR computer 40 years ago. You should be ashmed and turn to ash to dare to compare yourself to that.
Dear me: Yes, you do have a point. They really could try a little harder - no matter if due to respecting the heritage, but maybe even just out of self-respect.
I often wonder if there are other subcultures that constantly argue about how they are defined.
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I often wonder if there are other subcultures that constantly argue about how they are defined.
lol try asking people at a judas priest concert if limp bizkit counts as metal
bifat: I am dealing with Israelis who are demanding that they get in for free to a party, and that they have to pay less for the taxi boat than everyone else on pretty much every weekend now. So no need to demand that for them, they will happily do it themselves.
I know that some people think they can try to spin something out of boo-hoo scamp having used the sacred word. But not unlikely the subject mentioned above: How many times have you been to Tel Aviv? How many friends do you have in Israel? How many business contacts do you have there? And what exactly was the number of Israelis that you have met during the last 7 days that you actually did speak through? When was the last time you tried to find out by spending a couple of hours with both the "Israelis who are ashamed of israel"-israelis vs. the "This is all gods plan, we are their chosen people, and I am just making a vacaction here, next week I will be shooting at arab babies again" kind of Israelis?
Same as with the general subject: Think what you want. But I have been there, and I am there. I don't have prejudices, I do not have believes, I simply collect raw data on everything that interests me every single day, question that data, and then do projections out of it.
And obviously I will not go any further into this, as this just is anther perfect example of thought control, conformity and fascist tendencies. "Oh no, speaking about this subject may hurt, enrage or annoy people! We must avoid it." - F A C I S M.
Is it REALLY that hard to go get a fucking mirror and understand that you guys have become want you wanted to get away from originally?
I know that some people think they can try to spin something out of boo-hoo scamp having used the sacred word. But not unlikely the subject mentioned above: How many times have you been to Tel Aviv? How many friends do you have in Israel? How many business contacts do you have there? And what exactly was the number of Israelis that you have met during the last 7 days that you actually did speak through? When was the last time you tried to find out by spending a couple of hours with both the "Israelis who are ashamed of israel"-israelis vs. the "This is all gods plan, we are their chosen people, and I am just making a vacaction here, next week I will be shooting at arab babies again" kind of Israelis?
Same as with the general subject: Think what you want. But I have been there, and I am there. I don't have prejudices, I do not have believes, I simply collect raw data on everything that interests me every single day, question that data, and then do projections out of it.
And obviously I will not go any further into this, as this just is anther perfect example of thought control, conformity and fascist tendencies. "Oh no, speaking about this subject may hurt, enrage or annoy people! We must avoid it." - F A C I S M.
Is it REALLY that hard to go get a fucking mirror and understand that you guys have become want you wanted to get away from originally?
I'm used to hearing that the scene is dead, but never before have I heard that its time of death was 2015!
No, it was 2012 I've read earlier.
browser demos killed the scene as predicted by nostradamus!
most of the crew wanted to get away from being easter party organizers and just ended up becoming easter party organizers. sad times.
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get a fucking mirror and understand that you guys have become want you wanted to get away from originally?
most of the crew wanted to get away from being easter party organizers and just ended up becoming easter party organizers. sad times.
gaspode: From the limited data I have, I think most subcultures that stayed alive and innovative did so just as long as they constantly argued about those definitions, yes. Definitely true for hiphop/rap, I'd say.
There is a reason why it is called a SUB culture. As soon as you become part of the general culture (see: Unesco) you are no longer a sub culture, which means your standards are now no longer set from inside your group, but from the outside.
In "our" case, one defining moment would be when the Verwaltungsfachangestelltendemosceners got into power. Or, more generally speaking, when someone who clearly never before has studied how a subculture actually works thought that you can combine the concepts of "safe space" and "subculture". Hey mom, let's go to this rap battle contest, but make sure no bad words are used!
People are running the show here who have no fucking clue the basics on what makes such a show function in the first place.
Does anyone remember when splash water rides had those signs "Warning, you will get wet!"? You know when the fun stopped? When they removed both the signs and the water.
Want to be a rock star? Great, but you might end up dead on a toilet with an overdose. Oh, that sounds too dangerous for you? Become a sofa salesman!
There is a reason why it is called a SUB culture. As soon as you become part of the general culture (see: Unesco) you are no longer a sub culture, which means your standards are now no longer set from inside your group, but from the outside.
In "our" case, one defining moment would be when the Verwaltungsfachangestelltendemosceners got into power. Or, more generally speaking, when someone who clearly never before has studied how a subculture actually works thought that you can combine the concepts of "safe space" and "subculture". Hey mom, let's go to this rap battle contest, but make sure no bad words are used!
People are running the show here who have no fucking clue the basics on what makes such a show function in the first place.
Does anyone remember when splash water rides had those signs "Warning, you will get wet!"? You know when the fun stopped? When they removed both the signs and the water.
Want to be a rock star? Great, but you might end up dead on a toilet with an overdose. Oh, that sounds too dangerous for you? Become a sofa salesman!
(Yes, both scamps will take a rest now. Promise.)
scamp: hard to disagree at some points (not all). The demoscene became a warm, cozy place for many - as long as you are obedient and follow the rules (set by few narcissistic personalities who enjoy herding).