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I'm going to rewrite how I understood what you wrote Trace, so that way you may understand why it looks as an insult to my intelligence:

An entrepreneur called Mark Shuttleworth, a man whose main desires are money and power, is trying to convince demosceners to work for free in his business project Ubuntu using leftist propaganda.

He looks to be calling "loading bar", "login screen" and "screensaver" as "kind of demoscene". That way, creating these things as a proposed unpaid job sounds much better to us, isn't it? Or... maybe demosceners are not THAT stupid?

texel: i think you are wrong about Mark Shuttleworth, he's like a powerful GNU patron/sponsor who has either killed (hehe) or brought Debian ahead. I seriously consider his Ubuntu project as one of the most humanist 21th century projects with wikipedia.

texel: now prove those 'main desires are money and power'

texel: btw, nobody said that all this was unpaid.

re: processor power vs i/o
CPU's are getting more cores, so I think the processor drain will be negligible.

Maybe I'm in an error with "money" but about "power" it is absolutely clear. And mostly are the same thing. Why a person could start any project like Ubuntu? You will say "an humanist project" for example. But, isn't it that he feels better as the leader of an humanis project? Isn't it that in the end, what he search for is for that feeling? This is the feeling of power. And everybody has it. Don't tell me anybody does anything for the whole humanity. As individuals we do the things first for ourselves, then what we do could have any impact in other people or not, but that is never the first reason.

Well, I stop to read/write in this thread. For me this has strong political influence, so I stop now.

What's the deal with people saying something and then adding that from now on they'll no longer read the thread?
If you only want to be heard and don't want to listen, consider not taking part in the discussion at all.

texel:

While you dind't say anything new for anybody reading this, I can tell you that the difference from you and other people is that they know how to handle stuff like that. Seems that you don't, so you say that you won't help anyone to raise his power.

That means that, you don't use google, you don't use wikipedia, you ever looked a video on youtube.

I guess we should all stop releasing demos at parties too, because demo parties are humanist projects intended purely to make the organisers feel more powerful by convincing demosceners to work for free.

Yeah. Firefighters have been seen to set fires in their jurisdictions just so that they can put them out. People often look at impactful developments and wish that they were the ones behind it, moreso than feel positive or negative about what has really changed. If one person has shown great ability to make something happen, perhaps another will feel more behind the game and work harder so that someday they can be the hero to put down the rest. If you begin wanting to make the world a better place, but then dwell on these things and take your results into decisive action, perhaps you will be a monk/recluse or otherwise dead. But what then of the scene? :)
Anyway.. I think texel's got a point in his last comment somewhere. Though I'd like to think that shuttleworth is someone who pretty much met his financial goals and is enjoying the fruits of it in a sort of party, while yes, probably enjoying the feeling that he is a good person. It could be (and usually is) a lot worse, I think.. so I basically welcome what he is doing.

Now that's a serious bullshit. Mark was there, we were there, we talked with him face-to-face. Frankly, he was a pleasant surprise to me. He is a clever, forward-looking guy, and seems to seriously think about many (important) things. I don't think he is really motivated by money or power.

On CPU load: It seems he thinked about all these things for a while, and came to us to ask for help at the areas where his expertise (or the people's who are working with him) is not enough, and in general to have a discussion about the whole thing, to hear our opinion. He really handled us on a par. But for example he had diagrams showing the CPU load as a function of time during the booting process... IIRC there are some more-or-less predictable peaks, but otherwise the load is low.

I was once thinking about putting an intro on the HP-UX installation cd.

linux==cancer.. if you dont believe me, believe mister Ballmer!

Mark Shuttleworth is giving away free CDs, FYI: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/

trace: will you accept my apologies? I just posted in the default use-linux-for-demo-thread style i guess

pouet bbs == youtube == myspace

trace: I suggest a move to BitFellas if you need a moderated demoscene board.

if this is your point of view, you should switch your glasses. they damage your eyes. it is good that you see the world with critical eyes, and pay attention to negative aspects. but just because some people hurt your trust, it doesn't mean you can derive a rule from it.



myself first, that is true. but it would be short sighted not to extend myself beyond my physical shape. i have recognized that you all, even you, are mirrors of myself, and that doing good to you means doing good to myself - and the other way around. the ego is an illusion.

this is a revelation that can have a long lasting impression on a human being. it can be experienced through meditation, isolation, psychedelic drugs or a visit to space - which mark had. i can imagine that seeing the universe from space is a true revelation that can bring above mentioned truth to consciousness.

i am confident that mark will not disappoint us, and i hope that he will lead a long life. recently, the chief administrator of freenode, the largest open source development related irc network, died in a bicycle accident. remember that humanitarian ideas are always attached to persons, and need to be carried like an olympian torch.

are you so afraid to be fooled, that you can't afford trusting in a movement, even if it did not go the way you would have liked to see? i am not. even if i have to admit it was stupid afterwards. but i can't see how.



how convenient. shouting into a room and then slamming the door and running away? if your point is so solid, why are you chickening out and don't stand up to it?

using linux for demos is like using a rubberducky for xmas dinner..

As an option, when everything is loaded, why not?
Navis:

Except that you've constantly proved time and time and time and time and time and time again that you can't.

You don't want demos for linux. You want intros!

Thom, you're the exception of the rule. You just suck.