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Assembly Summer 2015 Oldskool Info by CompoCrew
screenshot added by Jope on 2015-02-03 08:17:06
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release date : february 2015
release party : Payback 2015
compo : amiga demo
ranked : 2nd
invitation for : Assembly 2015
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popularity : 61%
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added on the 2015-02-03 08:17:06 by Jope Jope

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Amigaaaaaaaaa mainittu
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 08:21:11 by break break
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 09:00:05 by Korvkiosken Korvkiosken
loving the fact about assembly's oldskool compo! BB Image
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 14:02:38 by bonefish bonefish
Nice tune by Wal o/ and great font by Bracket, love it. Also, AAMMMMIIIIGGGGAAAAHHH
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 18:20:45 by StingRay StingRay
I can dig it.

About the message itself, all I can say is best of luck to you...
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 18:24:15 by noby noby
for the amiga-0nly 0ldskool
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 19:20:33 by lvd lvd
Nice to see an invitation on the amiga 500 :) 40k with crinkler .. yeay !

Amiga only oldskool compo..

Why not seperate ECS and AGA compo ? Oldskool is ECS and nog AGA on many other party's..

To bad other oldskool platforms can't compete in oldskool compo anymore. However i know that for alot of years there were not many entries in oldskool compo at assembly.. But the ones who where there were from different platforms none the less.. (c64, zx spectrum, atari etc..)
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 19:51:19 by magic magic
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 20:03:28 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
right on!
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 20:26:26 by yzi yzi
rulez added on the 2015-02-03 20:40:08 by bitl bitl
I still have no idea why systematically chopping platforms out of the oldskool compo was meant to be a solution to anything, but then again I don't have any better ideas for how it could have been rescued.

Ah well. End of an era.
added on the 2015-02-03 21:33:45 by gasman gasman
Gasman, I sitll have no idea why there was a steady decline of prods every year during the old rules, then any attempt of freshening up the compo has just been met with a bunch of complaining.

I've noticed you complaining quite often, so to me this sounds like you obviously have a silver bullet solution. What is your recipe for success? Which year had the ultimate rules for oldskool, guaranteed to bring in lots of entries?
added on the 2015-02-04 06:39:54 by Jope Jope
Ah sorry, serves me right for posting without a proper night's sleep, you did mention you don't have a solution for it either.

And that's the problem I have too. When there was a year limit, people complained, then when we changed it to only be computers that had an actual scene, people complained some more. Now that we're doing a one-off Amiga only year in celebration of the 30-year-old Amiga, it's not a good idea either.

C'mon. :-D
added on the 2015-02-04 06:47:06 by Jope Jope
Jope: to be honest, we might not have been clear enough in the intro about Amiga-only being a one-off thing though :)
added on the 2015-02-04 06:56:32 by britelite britelite
Magic's idea of a separated "ECS" compo sounds interesting though, considering the fact that so far, very few demos that specifically require the ECS chipset have ever been released (less than 20 AFAIK). Oh, I forgot this idea came from the person who specializes in talking out of his ass 24/7.
added on the 2015-02-04 06:58:10 by break break
Discrimination of other oldskool platforms! :)
rulez added on the 2015-02-04 09:20:34 by aki aki
sod ECS demos, there are barely 5 OCS demos as it is a year.
added on the 2015-02-04 09:53:00 by 4mat 4mat
Sorry for being unclear back there, my point was something along the lines of "there is no such thing as an ECS demo for fuck's sake".
added on the 2015-02-04 10:18:05 by break break
Yeah, I wonder why ECS keeps getting mentioned in the Amiga community at all. Virtually nothing has ever required ECS, it's either OCS or AGA.
added on the 2015-02-04 11:31:54 by absence absence
ecs keeps getting mentioned on pouet because the name of the platform used to be "amiga ecs" for quite a number of years until someone (ps? gargaj?) corrected someone else's (analogue?) brainfart :)
added on the 2015-02-04 11:51:55 by reed reed
I deny all involvement.
added on the 2015-02-04 12:24:30 by Gargaj Gargaj
i do prefer if OCS demos run on ECS (read: my a600) as well, tho.
Marking them as OCS/ECS is a convenient way to state that they do.
added on the 2015-02-04 12:27:36 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Yeah, I wonder why ECS keeps getting mentioned in the Amiga community at all.

Because the "Amiga community" has a higher-than-average percentage of people with extremely low amounts of clues. :)

As for kicking all those unworthy platforms out of the oldschool compo: awesome decision! I'll really try to submit something again this year.
Because the "Amiga community" has a higher-than-average percentage of people with extremely low amounts of clues. :)

rulez added on the 2015-02-04 15:21:53 by okkie okkie
@Jope: I would have been one of the ones complaining when you took out the "non-mainstream scene" platforms, so yeah, I'm still complaining when the platform range gets squeezed further.

I understand that this is only a one-off, but I can't help but see it as part of a general trend in the future of the compo. Assembly was the first major party to introduce a cross-platform oldskool compo - and even as the rest of the party has gradually turned into a 90% gamers zone, it has a place in my heart as the party with the friendly, enthusiastic compo crew that was always willing to give my weirdass British computer a moment in the spotlight. To reach the point where the other platforms are 'expendable', even for one year, feels like another step towards the inevitable death of the compo. I hope I'm wrong.

I realise I'm probably being overly melodramatic here. We've still got the wild compo; I'll probably be missing this year's Assembly again anyhow; and I don't believe for one moment that my sporadic contributions to the compo are a reason to keep it open to all platforms indefinitely. But I think I'm justified in feeling a bit of regret at what we're losing here, especially when it's being portrayed as a celebration. Anyway, thanks for keeping the flame burning on the oldskool compo for all this time!
added on the 2015-02-04 15:29:40 by gasman gasman
@Reed: I raised the Pouet/Amiga OCS issue in 2002, but it took years until someone actually changed it on Pouet, so people had enough time to get used to referring to the wrong chipset when talking about old-school AMIGA stuff. OCS is correct!

Cool to see a 30th birthday compo coming up, and nice invitation to that.
rulez added on the 2015-02-04 16:06:38 by noname noname
Gasman: going back to the rules used before the previous change would this year see all pre-2000 machines accepted in the oldskool compo :)
added on the 2015-02-04 16:37:39 by britelite britelite
i do prefer if OCS demos run on ECS (read: my a600) as well, tho.
Marking them as OCS/ECS is a convenient way to state that they do.

Marking all configs a demo will run on is just tedious (OCS/ECS/AGA/020/030/040/1.3/2.0/3.0/WinUAE/Minimig?), and there's no point in making an exception for ECS in particular. I doubt such markings are accurate anyway, as few people seem know the difference between OCS and ECS.
added on the 2015-02-04 18:50:08 by absence absence
noname: my point exactly :)
added on the 2015-02-04 18:59:04 by reed reed
Gasman, thanks for the kind words.. The compo crew is still as friendly as ever, even though online discussions might sometimes come across a bit blunt.

BTW. 2012 was the controversial year when we decided to limit the compo only to platforms that actually had a demo scene when they were contemporary.

As a reminder, here they were:
Commodore 64 + 1541-II
Commodore Plus/4 + 1551 / 1541-II
Commodore Amiga 500, 512/512, Kickstart 1.3
Atari ST, 1MB, double sided floppy
Atari 130xe + floppy
MSX1 + 3.5" drive
Sinclair Spectrum 128k + tape
Amstrad CPC6128

We ran the compo with this set of hardware in 2012, 2013 and 2014. The amount of entries was very dire every year, (we actually had to resort to asking around for compo filler almost every year), yet these are all relatively popular platforms which still have an active scene.

I seem to remember there was moderate controversy regarding the lack of VIC-20. There was no VIC-20 scene in the golden days, everyone ditched them for C-64s in the 80s.

I remember also that Viznut's name was brought up as a reason why the VIC-20 should have been kept in. Viznut's last VIC-20 entry for Assembly Oldskool was in 2008, four years before we decided to drop the platform. Yes, he made a real wild demo for the VIC in 2014, but this only happened, because someone brought one to the party and asked him to code something for it, so he did a party prod before the deadline.

The immense amount of platforms allowed was always a source of complaints even during the anything before 1992 rule set. Especially the C-64 scene has constantly refused to have anything to do with the compo (and Assembly the party), for the most part of the current millennium.

Let's see what we come up with for 2016. Heck, perhaps we'll even organize a vote to see what people want to see for the oldskool compo in 2016? No one could possibly complain about crowdsourced rules, eh? :-D
added on the 2015-02-04 20:02:09 by Jope Jope
rulez added on the 2015-02-04 20:15:41 by SiR SiR
I was surprised to see Wal in credits. Is this a new tune? Nice one.
rulez added on the 2015-02-04 20:58:41 by jazzcat jazzcat
Yes, specially made for this prod. I love it.. Thanks, Wal! :-)
added on the 2015-02-05 07:43:55 by Jope Jope
@Reed: I raised the Pouet/Amiga OCS issue in 2002, but it took years until someone actually changed it on Pouet, so people had enough time to get used to referring to the wrong chipset when talking about old-school AMIGA stuff. OCS is correct!

And I still think that those icons for platforms are in a wrong way.

Checkmark was used as an official Amiga logo in OCS days, and although boing ball was in the very first demonstrations it only became popular and official logo later, in AGA days.

It still confuses me every time here :)
rulez added on the 2015-02-05 13:39:40 by jPV jPV
added on the 2015-02-07 18:31:34 by Frequent Frequent
instant thumb up..

and the music.. THE MUSIC!! \o/
rulez added on the 2015-03-02 20:43:48 by lsl lsl
Good tune Wal, love that loop beepin'
rulez added on the 2015-05-18 12:18:19 by leGend leGend
So good music! So G000000D!
added on the 2015-07-14 18:13:07 by aki aki
Perfect music. Good oldskool style!
rulez added on the 2015-07-24 23:25:00 by dissident dissident
Okish and proper. Music stands out.
rulez added on the 2016-02-21 14:08:12 by Baudsurfer Baudsurfer

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