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loved it! best in compo! \o/
rulez added on the 2007-05-09 09:52:49 by zeebr 
6 out of 5
100% ripped content. 8)) tastefully chosen and well presented, but too pathetic to my liking...
More for th idea and contents.
Cool. Peace on the Earth :)
Cool!
no war... :'(
Sofia Rotarou - "Aist" - good choice for soundtrack... :)
Sofia Rotarou - "Aist" - good choice for soundtrack... :)
very touchy! great slideshow
Nice message vs. ripped content = Pig!
Very good and special !!!
Ripping at its finest!
i don't care about ripping in this prod. the message is outstanding!
very nicely done, but totally lacks sense of historical facts and modesty. what the fuck? 70s propaganda posters to celebrate 1st of may?! 1st of may is the holiday of the working people, not of the imperialist (post-)stalinist soviet state.
"estonian fascism"? oh, so those fucktards who raided estonian alkoholshops pretending to "defend" the memorial are not russian national chauvinists (=fascists)? or simply drunk amoral scum? not quite better...
first the imperialist soviet state took the labour movement attributes and suppressed the workers at the same time - remember kronstadt! now the putin regime takes the soviet victory in ww2 to instrumentalize it. and it's sad to see demogroups are following in putins footsteps.
damnit! 1st of may is a workers day, for a world without states and bosses! the shallow "international solidarity" from the 1930s on, which you are quoting with those posters, was nothing but the command to progressive people worldwide to support the ussr no matter wha. may i quote stalin: "an internationalist is, who, [...] without hesitation, without putting up conditions, is ready to protect the ussr, because the ussr is the base of the revolutionary movement worldwide." (J. Stalin: Werke. Bd. 10, Berlin 1952, S. 45). - while everything revolutionary was kicked by stalins boots! no need to say more...
but as krabob often very correctly noticed in last time, sceners often are politically illiterate and therefor land on chauvinist positions without noticing.
AGAINST SOVIET IMPERIALISM! AGAINST RUSSIAN, ESTONIAN AND OTHER NATIONAL CHAUVINISM! NO NATIONS, NO BORDERS!
still not giving a real thumb down, because it's very nicely done.
"estonian fascism"? oh, so those fucktards who raided estonian alkoholshops pretending to "defend" the memorial are not russian national chauvinists (=fascists)? or simply drunk amoral scum? not quite better...
first the imperialist soviet state took the labour movement attributes and suppressed the workers at the same time - remember kronstadt! now the putin regime takes the soviet victory in ww2 to instrumentalize it. and it's sad to see demogroups are following in putins footsteps.
damnit! 1st of may is a workers day, for a world without states and bosses! the shallow "international solidarity" from the 1930s on, which you are quoting with those posters, was nothing but the command to progressive people worldwide to support the ussr no matter wha. may i quote stalin: "an internationalist is, who, [...] without hesitation, without putting up conditions, is ready to protect the ussr, because the ussr is the base of the revolutionary movement worldwide." (J. Stalin: Werke. Bd. 10, Berlin 1952, S. 45). - while everything revolutionary was kicked by stalins boots! no need to say more...
but as krabob often very correctly noticed in last time, sceners often are politically illiterate and therefor land on chauvinist positions without noticing.
AGAINST SOVIET IMPERIALISM! AGAINST RUSSIAN, ESTONIAN AND OTHER NATIONAL CHAUVINISM! NO NATIONS, NO BORDERS!
still not giving a real thumb down, because it's very nicely done.
Dipswitch, you are quite too serious, don't you? :) Guess, you even do not know that here is no any "regime" in contemporary Russia, people are free here, here is even more freedom then in many other contries. Next, european people are "quite" disinformated about Estonia role in WW2 and todays events (when Estonian police simply hunted russian speaking people on the streets).
Finally, the slide show was dedicated to 1-9 may. May 1st is working people day, "a word without states and bosses" as you said, etc. It's all right.
Finally, the slide show was dedicated to 1-9 may. May 1st is working people day, "a word without states and bosses" as you said, etc. It's all right.
wtf, did i miss something?
manwe, i'm russian + i am working as eastern europe historian. i am quite informed, so thx.
oh and feel free to tell me which "more freedoms than in other countries" russians enjoy? the freedom of capitalists to exploit workers, threatening independant trade-union activits with physical force? sure, i agree, there is more of that kind of "freedom" in russia than in the most countries. or is it perhaps the freedom for neo-fascists to sell "mein kampf" in the subway passages and to yell "sieg heil" on "russian marches"? or their "freedom" to demonstrate and beat up "black-asses" on hitler's birthday, while the foreign students in certain dormitories in moscow get locked up for that day? sure, this "freedom" is rare here in germany... or is it the "freedom" of the ruling clique to breed an own "putin-jugend" which diffamates dissidents in brochures comparing them to vlasov and hitler? indeed, i don't know any european government which would allow themselves the "freedom" in indoctrinating the youth in such a way.
don't get me wrong, i'm also sick of the ultra-liberal agenda of the mainstream dissident movement in russia. when i see such a pigsnout as lera novodvorskaja being all-so-freedom but demanding 10 years of prison for ungdomhuset activists, i have to puke. but mistrusting the "drugaja rossija" block doesn't mean sticking to the putinoid agenda.
don't get me wrong, i'm also sick of the ultra-liberal agenda of the mainstream dissident movement in russia. when i see such a pigsnout as lera novodvorskaja being all-so-freedom but demanding 10 years of prison for ungdomhuset activists, i have to puke. but mistrusting the "drugaja rossija" block doesn't mean sticking to the putinoid agenda.
and yes, many estonians are fucked-up nationalists, even some of the "progressive" ones i know. right now estonia is going the radical market-liberal way in connection with narrowing civil freedom, and it will strike back on them very hard one day, i am sure. but it doesn't change anything about imperialistic cynism of stalin and his clique concerning the baltic states in 1940-1941.
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people are free here, here is even more freedom then in many other contries.
ask that Garry Kimovich Kasparov ;P
There are other ways to celebrate Labor Day
(which became a holiday under Adolf 'Hitler' Schicklgruber.)
and of course 8th May.
dodge, just because hitler made it a state holiday, it doesn't mean that it's not the day of the labour movement still. the nazis stole quite some attributes from the left movement, including a kind of pseudo-socialism represented by the "S" in the "NSDAP". very interesting and revealing in the aspect of hitler's "national socialism" are the protocols of a meeting between hitler and otto strasser in 1930 (or was it 1932?) where hitler says that the german proletariat is of "lower race" compared to the british ruling class.
Dipswitch, this prod was addressed to european scene. It's all about people friendship, love, peace, equality and independence. We all are creative people, not destructive. It should help to better understanding.
Stalin was a maniac in some points, so I see no reason to quote a mad man. It's absolutely pointless. And it's funny that you have see any mistical "regime" in Russia - looks like you are not well informed even about your own country. Better think about economics instead of history. It's all about that. Just business. US business conquer the selling regions and world resources - today, 30 years ago, 40 years ago and even 60 years ago - that's why we used old posters. Nothing has changed on US side, since that time. The war is just an business instrument.
What for us, we have changed to the best, don't you think so? Of course, some room left for make a next step. Hope, we will.
Stalin was a maniac in some points, so I see no reason to quote a mad man. It's absolutely pointless. And it's funny that you have see any mistical "regime" in Russia - looks like you are not well informed even about your own country. Better think about economics instead of history. It's all about that. Just business. US business conquer the selling regions and world resources - today, 30 years ago, 40 years ago and even 60 years ago - that's why we used old posters. Nothing has changed on US side, since that time. The war is just an business instrument.
What for us, we have changed to the best, don't you think so? Of course, some room left for make a next step. Hope, we will.
Finnish Cross of Liberty:
SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Waffen-SS Karl Maria Demelhuber
SS Obergruppenfuhrer und General der Waffen-SS Karl Maria Demelhuber
dip: I know. It was just a sidekick. ATM I'm actually just waiting for ze 1st pouetized swastika to occur o_O
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Nothing has changed on US side, since that time.
yes, i agree. but apparently nothing changed on russian side as well considering politics - or why do i have to read in a "serious historian" RAN sbornik from 2006, that soviet union liberated poland in 1939? historical revisionism is the name fo the game, not only on the baltic side but in russia even more hardcore! and no, i don't "think so". nothing has changed to the best. the rich is getting richer, the poor is getting poorer, national chauvinism and xenophobia is growing. sure, people are free to make money, but if it's all what it's about, then it's not the world i'm striving for.
considerng "to the best": the "best" yet was february till october 1917. if the labour movement would have followed plechanov and other sane marxists, workers, through the strengthening of the soviets(councils), would grow more politically aware and strong, and then they could have taken power in a much more decent and effective way than the adventurers did in october. and october ended in a state where a new bureaucratic class of oppressors were ruling over the workers again.
and explaining everything with stalins "madness" is a drawback to coldwar historians. stalin was a cold-calculating cynic, and so were the soviet foreign politics of his time. i know what i'm talking about, i spend the last 3 years working on RGASPI documents on international communism and foreign policy 1939-1941. yes he was paranoid and an unbalanced character, but explaining politics through leaders psychology is a weak way when one has no arguments.
last passage errata: i mean "drawback towards the times of historians during the cold war", who tried to explain everything with the super-big evil figure of stalin and forgot about the structures.
and manwe, also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime. i don't see anything inappropriate in using this term towards russia. "The term need not imply anything about the particular government to which it relates, and most political scientists use it as a neutral term."
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AGAINST SOVIET IMPERIALISM! AGAINST RUSSIAN, ESTONIAN AND OTHER NATIONAL CHAUVINISM! NO NATIONS, NO BORDERS!
the funny thing is that the demo was exactly about that.
what bhead said tho.
SMERT' BURZHUYAZII! USSR - 4EVER! LENIN ALIVE!
As I see, Dipswitch like to talk about politics. I'm not, sorry. I just ment, to quote Stalin is as funny and useless as to quote Bush. Politics can say anythings they think would be profitable, buisness needs to decrease expenditures and increase the profit, people want a very simple things: love, peace, validity, honesty, etc. We are people, aren't we? Why not to admit, politics and business crossed working people's interests too often? There were some exceptions, of course (it gives a hope for a better times). Anyway. Who care? It's just a demo, don't take it too seriously.
all implementations of socialism/communism have been corrupted and bad. Russian communism is nothing to be proud of and their current parasitic capitalist system is even worse for the people of Russia. So i don't agree with promoting Russian Communism as some kind of saviour of the working classes. But I think the producers of this prod have their hearts in the right place and the message, minus the red-flag waving, is good. tumb-up for unity in the global fight against destructive capitalist influences!
Fuck, this slideshow-demo not about politics. This demo about peace, about wrong signs, and about friendship of nations!
Pretty pathetic, but pictures are kinda interesting.
just peace
смотрел два раза, респект и ниипёт, отдельный рулез за музло
"for what die stalin??? for happy! hehe"
What TS said. And Dipswitch, this is just a demo, ffs! :)
Хорошее демо! Манве и Битлу респект!
This is the best demo i've ever seen! Everything isn't technique but purpose and the feelings it wakes in you.
Yep! =)
as mentioned in the demo 50th - 70th. Great stuff.
Well done lads - i can´t wait the next chaptr ;D
Well done lads - i can´t wait the next chaptr ;D
well executed.
from the technical side, it's okish
Today it is again actual ;)
SKORO PERVOMAY!
SKORO PERVOMAY!
THIS IS BULLSHIT !
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