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rulez added on the 2025-11-02 16:30:38 by Fell 
Cool, style. Nice for platform.
Nice atmosphere! And the greets twister looks very cool!
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Some background info: we did not want to create a "wannabe Amiga demo" but work out the Next's own, specific style, rooted in its ZX Spectrum heritage. Hence we're using 256x192 maximum (which is also much easier to handle on a 8-bit processor!) and a limited palette of 21 colors (placing it strategically so colors can be added/subtracted to without caring of the saturation).
The demo also pushes the hw quite a bit. No known to us ZX Next emulator atm can show it properly :)
The demo also pushes the hw quite a bit. No known to us ZX Next emulator atm can show it properly :)
This was nice to see on the big screen, and chat with RCL about :)
slick show, with its own distinct style - also good to see ZX Next getting more demoscene love, as it was was with other enhanced speccies back then :)
Finally, work on Next showing that it is not “just” a Zx clone, but something much more. Very good demo - I'm waiting for more! ;)
damn son
The guys really did a great job! Digital music and interactive effects control are fantastic.
Very important moment in history of ZX Next:) First demo that bends the limitations.
Incredible work.
Incredible work.
good
amazing demo, this should have won!!!
nice
I'm still wondering when did NЁXT become retro (according to the compo this was shown at)
What would you call Next, then? Certainly not a modern computer that should have competed in the Modern demo compo instead, it is not qualified by any stretch. The 8 bit machine is much, much weaker (like 100,000x slower) than the weakest smartphone you can buy. It is as retro as the Sprinter, ZX Evo and other ZX Enhanced platforms.
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What would you call Next, then?
I'm not here to invent names, I just wanted to point that it is definitely *not* retro.
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Certainly not a modern computer
Then some fantasy 'consoles' are also definitely not a 'modern computer', nor a retro as well. Or are they?
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The 8 bit machine is much, much weaker (like 100,000x slower) than the weakest smartphone you can buy.
Which still does not make it retro. Imagine going into some superscalar Z80 running at 50 MHz with IPC of 2..3. Still retro?
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It is as retro as the Sprinter, ZX Evo
Sprinter, as architecture, was completed to the end of 90ies/beginning of 2000ies. No significant changes ever since. So if we'd agree that something from 1999 is retro then Sprinter definitely is.
ZX Evo with base config *mostly* emulates the features of the older design that comes from 1991, thus as well *mostly* retro.
Some other ZX Evo's config, in this relation, is very much like NЁXT (having some crazy far-fetched gfx features), thus not a retro again (unless we'd say 2013 is already retro).
Finally, for NЁXT even the the date of its appearance, does not make it retro.
Of course any appropriately limited fantasy console is retro. And Z80, even running at 50Mhz, is still a 8-bit CPU.
Come on, 68060 is a retro CPU. Anything that has capacities 1/100 of that is a deep deep retro.
Come on, 68060 is a retro CPU. Anything that has capacities 1/100 of that is a deep deep retro.
If you want another perspective: a 1989-class PC with 386 @ 28Mhz and 4MB RAM with a VGA card is retro, isn't it. So, Next is much much weaker than a 386 at the same Mhz, and it also has poorer resolution than VGA and less memory.
So here you go. Calling Next a "modern computer" is ridiculous. It is still an 8-bit design which can be squarely compared to Sam Coupe.
So here you go. Calling Next a "modern computer" is ridiculous. It is still an 8-bit design which can be squarely compared to Sam Coupe.
Nice demo, next rulit!
Stylish demo, that has an idea.
Finding individuality, related to the classical ZX.
Strong, platform-specific code.
Finding individuality, related to the classical ZX.
Strong, platform-specific code.
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any appropriately limited fantasy console
define 'appropriately'
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And Z80, even running at 50Mhz,
And even at 500 MHz?
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68060 is a retro CPU
If we'd assume anything from 1994 is old enough to be retro.
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Anything that has capacities 1/100 of that is a deep deep retro.
Then SUDDENLY it is no more about some old hw but just some 'capacities'.
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a 1989-class PC with 386 @ 28Mhz and 4MB RAM with a VGA card is retro, isn't it
If 1989 is already a retro.
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Next is much much weaker than a 386
nёxt is not from 1989, nёxt has some gfx hw more advanced than primitive VGA.
Definitely not retro by date, either not retro even by (loosely) defined 'capacities' comparison.
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has poorer resolution
orly? Poorer HDMI resolution than gross 28MHz pixelclock super-modern VGA has?
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less memory.
Less than 4 Mb? Really? Even zx evolution from 2009 had all the way its 4 MB (not retro BTW). What a greedy MFs must be those who created nёxt then.
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Calling Next a "modern computer" is ridiculous.
Calling it "retro" is crazy.
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It is still an 8-bit design
So 8bit is necessary and sufficient to be 100% retro? Or what?
Of course its architecture alone is enough to be considered retro. You cannot close the gap to modern stuff by speeding it up just hundreds of times as you hypothesized, the gap is much wider - you'd need to speed it up several million times. And the Next, to remind you, is only 5-8x times faster than the original ZX Spectrum - not close to even break out from its own league.
And of course a 1994 - let alone 1989 - tech is retro. What year are you living in? We're about to enter the second quarter of the 21st century; current consumer grade hw is more performant than supercomputers from that bygone era, and you somehow still doubt whether 1989 should be considered retro.
Pointless argument. Go write a demo for the Next and prove that it can rival modern demos... or for that matter, even Amiga and PC demos from that era.
And of course a 1994 - let alone 1989 - tech is retro. What year are you living in? We're about to enter the second quarter of the 21st century; current consumer grade hw is more performant than supercomputers from that bygone era, and you somehow still doubt whether 1989 should be considered retro.
Pointless argument. Go write a demo for the Next and prove that it can rival modern demos... or for that matter, even Amiga and PC demos from that era.
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Of course its architecture alone is enough to be considered retro.
Where can I learn properties and features of some architecture that would definitely made it "retro"?
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You cannot close the gap to modern stuff by speeding it up just hundreds of times as you hypothesized, the gap is much wider - you'd need to speed it up several million times. And the Next, to remind you, is only 5-8x times faster than the original ZX Spectrum
You mean, it could draw graphics on screen *just* 5x times faster than original spectrum or something different?
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- not close to even break out from its own league.
From the very own league of zx spectrum nёxt -- pretty sure! Yet pointless.
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And of course a 1994 - let alone 1989 - tech is retro.
Which specific hardware part of zx spectrum nёxt is 1989-tech? Or even 1994-tech?
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What year are you living in? We're about to enter the second quarter of the 21st century; current consumer grade hw is more performant than supercomputers from that bygone era,
So what, then we must treat equally retro from 1976 and "retro" from 2018?
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and you somehow still doubt whether 1989 should be considered retro.
Still not getting which specific '1989' stuff you are talking about.
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Pointless argument. Go write a demo for the Next and prove that it can rival modern demos... or for that matter, even Amiga and PC demos from that era.
Which argument pointless? And why should I 'go write demo for nёxt'? To release it in a compo against a demo for a computer from 1976 or what?
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