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City of Arles attacks MAiN Organizing and Cybernostra

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Because i want everyone whos interessted in this Issue to make his own point of view...please take a look yourself:

https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=152554978108789

(Google translation helps at least a bit)

Statements there are very welcome.
(no unpro bitching please)
added on the 2011-09-07 14:26:30 by _docd _docd
I already flamed a lot :)
added on the 2011-09-07 14:27:59 by rez rez
Could someone please sum it up in English?
added on the 2011-09-07 14:39:21 by Gargaj Gargaj
Basically, last year the city of Arles organized a festival "Octobre Numérique" ("Digital October") around the Main, with stuff like a LAN party and short film shows. This year, as you know, they decided to stop funding Main. But they are still organizing this Octobre Numérique, which has become somewhat meaningless without Main. And they use footage from Main to promote the event btw.

Yesterday they accused the Main organizers of bad management, which according to them would be the cause of the cancellation of the party.

And today, after some argumented responses from Main organizers, the only answer they found is to hide behind Facebook terms of use and accuse people of insulting them.
added on the 2011-09-07 14:56:32 by Tarmil Tarmil
Quote:
some argumented responses from Main organizers

More on this please?
added on the 2011-09-07 15:03:12 by Gargaj Gargaj
this is what i got from a diagonal read:
- we are organizing this festival without main in it because they didnt want to help
- no, actually we did, you didnt let us.
- it's illegal to criticize us in public!!!
- erm, no it's not.
added on the 2011-09-07 15:03:57 by psenough psenough
How are they expecting do organize a demoparty without demoscene staff and/or visitors?
added on the 2011-09-07 15:05:05 by D.Fox D.Fox
Was that event scene related or it was just a computer festival?
added on the 2011-09-07 15:08:50 by Defiance Defiance
its not called a demoparty anymore, its a digital arts festival :)
added on the 2011-09-07 15:08:50 by psenough psenough
this looks like a job for... LE HOMME BAGUETTE!
So... Will they call it WinMain?
added on the 2011-09-07 15:15:55 by xernobyl xernobyl
now i managed to read the translated version of their webpage... seems to be a formal replacement of MAiN...
added on the 2011-09-07 15:15:57 by Defiance Defiance
So, what I got from google translations:

Quote:
- to our surprise, the amount of the grant voted by the region in 2009 has not been paid in full with an amputation of 40% even if the action was performed, the event was produced and performed in the Reg the art,
- in fact, this unexpected cut in the budget of the association has created a deficit, hence the debt and unable to pay some providers in full and on time


And Arles says:
Quote:
Unfortunately in the last two editions of Main demoparty, the association Cybernostra - organizer of e event - has accumulated failures and shortcomings in its management that led many debts, especially from small businesses located in Arles in trouble today. The City of Arles could not accept this, otherwise jeopardize October Digital in its entirety, and its legitimacy among others labeled our main partner and the Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur.


Do I get this right? The city cut the budget and then accuses the organizers for getting debts? Cause that would be classy.
added on the 2011-09-07 15:21:14 by zoom zoom
never trust promised government funding :)
added on the 2011-09-07 15:24:04 by psenough psenough
Demoparties, they steal the fuck out of your budget.
added on the 2011-09-07 15:28:29 by __ __
...if it´s clever to discuss such things on "Facebook is" one thing... But, it´s for sure unfair to call the Main Organizers and the Party at all unprofessional organized...

Maybe they take digital arts not serious, maybe they don´t understand that this is also art like movies, musical, pictures etc... Or MAYBE !!! they only count visitors and make it depend from this factor.

But to say they are unprofessional or similar Bullshit...

Did they not recognized that all tihs has been done as none profit event, that those "organizers" spend many hours to make such a party possible BESIDE their familys...

For sure, if Lady Gaga would sing on the MAIN. There would be no problem to support and help. Better held the MAIN in Greek coz they need every Cent they can earn.
Well i hope there will be another Main party next year, maybe à l'Espace Julien ?
added on the 2011-09-07 16:13:16 by tobé tobé
C'est dommage! :(

Art can only be understood by artists. Right?

Passion for the money!

added on the 2011-09-07 16:23:42 by ham ham
for you all, we prepare a translation of our response with facts and arguments about the lies and slander against us.

be sure MAIN #6 will be held in 2012 in Marseille

Christian
cool, see you in Marseille !
added on the 2011-09-07 18:06:13 by tobé tobé
Zoom : you got both of these right. The debt of the association is due to the grants not having been paid totally, and the city does accuse the organizers for this. But I'll let them explain this in more depth. :)

Worse, last year, the city asked of them to organize "Octobre numérique". To tell the truth, this was mainly an excuse to cut down the budget even more as the city said they would take care of all the communication - I lived in Arles at that time and trust me, the said "communication" was no more than a few posters in town, sporing a 15x10cm Main logo. Not even a single flyer was handed out... Well.
And then, they first decided that Octobre numérique would not take place in the Grande halle, and made it clear that Main was not welcome anymore. Well, these are the main points but you should just read the translated version of the Cyber nostra's answer to the city of Arles and make your own opinion.

@AMI_TRS : Well, you know, there are two things to take into account : first, the city of Arles _asked_ to the main orgas to have the Main happen in Arles in the first place. The city representatives are always boasting of how art is present in the city in all its forms, whether it is pictures, films, scupture, and antique arts (with all those gallo-roman things)... I don't think they take the number of visitors as the only factor either, because... Well, as I said, I lived there in 2010, so I went to all the Octobre numérique events, and, hum, apart from Main that had quite a lot of visitors (sceners and non-sceners alike) and the lanparty that had that whole bunch of teenagers bellowing rude words to each others for 2 days in a row, you couldn't have called the other events a "huge success" in terms of visitors.

In my opinion, the only option left is that they had thought this all over for a long time : there had been a few trials at creating an event focused on digital things, because there's the university of Provence that has a computer vision course there and supinfocom with their cartoon/computer animation course. Well, it did not work well, so they could've brought Main there to have them create this precise type of event, Octobre numérique, and then ditch the orgas.
And that's a bit sad for the city because most people there don't talk about Octobre numérique - they talk about Main. :p
added on the 2011-09-07 20:35:18 by xtrium xtrium
Quote:
digital arts festival

That right there is when you back away slowly, make sure you don't make eye contact and run to your nearest exit.
added on the 2011-09-08 00:34:53 by ringofyre ringofyre
Ringo: you're thinking of digital arse festivals.
added on the 2011-09-08 08:30:54 by psonice psonice
psonice: Think "Performance Art" on a computer.
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added on the 2011-09-08 08:42:01 by ringofyre ringofyre
Quote:
Do I get this right? The city cut the budget and then accuses the organizers for getting debts? Cause that would be classy.


That's right, it's the usual technique.. :/ Welcome to FromageLand. It smells badly like 1935 doesn't it? :/

added on the 2011-09-08 10:02:52 by nystep nystep
But it's strange that the news came from the DGS, or was it the DGSE?.. It means that the municipality would be acting on orders that come from "up"?
added on the 2011-09-08 10:16:08 by nystep nystep

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