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i'd like to count the number of people who are also sick of the assload of cracktro's and trainers added

category: general [glöplog]
If cracktros go then what next? Maybe music disks? They certainly fall under a similar criticism of too many/too similar/same shit different tunes?

Maybe get rid of 256b and 4k because they are not relevant to the demoscene? Sure getting stuff in such small codespace is impressive.. but is it a demo?

You see my point? Cracktros are just another release format for this thing we call the 'scene. You are of course entitled to your opinions on them, but suggesting they should be 'banned' from pouet just because of your opinion is ridiculous.
added on the 2002-11-03 13:56:53 by Mtl Mtl
*sigh*

yeah why not, just compare cracktro's to 4k's and music disks. idiot!

yeah lets just add some more of these nehe ogl tutorial ripoff rotating toruses plus some worthless text stating "blabla old group from the past cracked blabla new game from teh futare". jesus christ.
blindfolded idiots. dumbfucks.
added on the 2002-11-03 14:36:09 by superplek superplek
I have only a very marginal interest in cracktros, and mostly only on "historical" ones or specific ones like halcyon's pre-hplus paradigm (in|crack)tro..

But, quite frankly,
where is the harm in adding those?

what is wrong with you, superplek, and the cohort of flamers that justifies, follows or inspires your constant
bitterness, insults, negativity.. pure negativity because
it never proposes any active solution but just denounces, points fingers at, or make you take
stances?

should we care about you guys' mental state of frustration, your apparent desire to assert your power
on the opinion + acts of others. are you so self-centered that you are unable to ignore what you
simply disagree with?

i'm holding no aggressivity towards you, i'm not waiting for any kind of answer, i'm not interested either in receiving any, but the only thing i hope is that you
realize you're self-destructing.

So i ask again,
where is the harm in adding those?

The only harm I perceive is one harm you afflict upon
yourself. Cracktros clutter the latest-added box. I don't know, propose ana|ogue to add a per-user filter on new-addition so you can select whatever productions you're interested in. Propose ana|ogue a way for an user to filter dissenting comments. Or simply sit back, take a breath, drink a bit, and realize all this doesn't really matter and that you can just ignore those cracktros and go for a walk.

added on the 2002-11-03 14:46:30 by _-_-__ _-_-__
it would actually be a good idea to have a personal category filter
added on the 2002-11-03 15:01:04 by superplek superplek
Hm. I love cracktros. If I had to select only one category, it would be cracktros.
Not only the golden oldies from my amiga gaming years, but also the newer ones.

For those who hate cracktros, you should watch some of the old ones on Amiga. Maybe it will change your mind. I especially recommend these:

- Intro Fuglebad by Ted's Farm of Movement
- All the Melon Design/Crystal cracktros
- Paradox Fuck Angels
- Skid Row's Pinball Fantasies cracktro with the "Dream Off" mod

Well.. As if you care.. :)
added on the 2002-11-03 19:38:54 by sprocket sprocket
I especially like those paradigm cracktros made by halcyon.
added on the 2002-11-03 19:45:23 by droid droid
there was good stuff among the oldies, but i still don't see why watching them would change my vision towards those newbie fucking crap shit "i cant code" cracktros.
added on the 2002-11-03 19:50:53 by superplek superplek
I agree with Sprocket. Go and check out his list now!

Or at least go and look for the "Dream Off" module.
added on the 2002-11-03 19:55:42 by Wade Wade
Mmm. The melom design-cracktro from superfrog is sweet! :)
added on the 2002-11-03 20:07:33 by slumgud slumgud
best cracktro is ofcource Dynamite Dux cracktro on atari ST by Equinox (there is a javaversion on their homepage)

worst is superplek,
added on the 2002-11-03 20:09:02 by dubmood dubmood
Plek: when you have productions like "Halycon" and "Mother Mother my Eyes Hurt" as demos, saying that cracktros are done by folks who can't code is akin to saying that Pouet and www.ratemypoo.com are the same thing.

Maybe for you they are.

Me, I enjoy demos, cracktros, intros, and the scene. I don't like much of the newskO0l stuff, because it all looks like someone couldn't code or write music, but I keep watching because there are gems in there among the rough.

Anyway, Cracktros rule, just like all scene productions.
Quote:
ppl only like cracktros because of glops mmm...


Not at all Vermillion, but the current slew of continuous 'cracked by whoever' scrollers with sad-ass artwork don't add anything worthwhile to the already oversaturated amount of cracktros availlible on pouet. A lot of these things were batch-submitted. It would appear, since nobody else cares enough for this stuff, that some people *may* be solely interested in upping them for glops. *may*, as in, just my humble opinion. Get a grip and have a drink on me, jesus! ;)

As far as I can see, even a lot of people who land on plek like a nuclear bomb do prefer *quality* cracktros, not the hullaballoo that has pestered the latest-added box lately. Come on guys, really...how many of those things are actually worth the 0.2 seconds of leechtime -seeing you already saw the other incarnations of the same old thing?

added on the 2002-11-04 02:52:53 by Shifter Shifter
plek, would u plz be so gentle and bring some
"het k´s" to tum-party ?
and bring them old ile + shifter bastards along,
and plz don´t hide in da corner and shit in yar pantz
like at evoky ;)
i heard ur not that bad boy u like to be...

with love...
added on the 2002-11-04 03:28:07 by Igoronimo Igoronimo
Shifter:
Well I think u *may* be right ...(in this case of a few users uploading - not your original satement.) But this would be more for attention than glops surely.. Anyway who cares - there's free drinks on offer...thanx Shifter! :D
*buurUUURRRRP!!!!
added on the 2002-11-04 04:44:00 by verm verm
i didn't exactly hide in any corner at evoke, dear igor, like i never will =)
added on the 2002-11-04 09:20:09 by superplek superplek
hm, is there anyone else that have seen that Equinox Dynamite Dux Cracktro or am I alone in the world? =)
added on the 2002-11-04 09:34:15 by dubmood dubmood
answer to superpleks question: YES!
added on the 2002-11-08 10:36:25 by mempheria mempheria
what question?
added on the 2002-11-08 10:51:16 by _ _
Come on guys, be a bit more openminded even if you think that crackintros do suck. Yes, it is really
senseless to add crackintros as they are no serious demoscene releases, especially it sucks if you're only hunting for some glöpps.. better add someo f the MANY demoscene files that are still missing here at Pouet!
added on the 2002-11-08 12:20:03 by ghandy ghandy
agree! i too like cractro's, but i cant understand why basically everyone
is uploading cracktros for the last 2 months. must be glöpps-hunters.
like mtl said:

"cracktro's are the 'scenes birthplace. To deny them would be to turn your
back on history :)"

yes, you have a point, but what about new cracktro's (coolphats etc)?

and like someone else said:

"whou shall be the one to judge if something is low or high quality and
shall be posted or not?"

true, but most of the sceners are creative people with a burning desire to
enhance their skills.
the purpose of cractro's isnt that! its more like commercials...
added on the 2002-11-08 13:56:15 by mempheria mempheria
Actually, thats a fairly good point.

Its a tired phrase, but 'back in the days' each C64/Amiga/Atari game usually had unique copy protection. Some games were harder to crack than others and cracking itself truly was an artform to be celebrated.. hence cracktros really could be seen as 'commercials' advertising the l33test cracking group

These days of securerom, safedisc, generic copy protection there really is little skill left. There are basic tools to crack generic protection, so cracking itself is no longer an artform and perhaps shouldnt be advertised (by cracktros) as such.

The real 'skill' in the warez scene these days is having fast suppliers and good connections.. no artistry required.

I may yet change my stance on this issue.... hmmm :/
added on the 2002-11-08 14:27:01 by Mtl Mtl
whatever.

cracktros maybe arent't very revelant in today's scene. (and yeah, 99.9% of them sucks humongous rhino penis). but still, they have a place on poute, since they once _were_ relevant to the scene. (everything started with cracktros).
and the point of pouet is to be as complete a database as possible of all scene related prods from the start to present day, no?

but it can't be denied that almost all of them fucking suck, of course.

but damn... most demos and intros are shite too, so what the fuck..
added on the 2002-11-08 20:08:38 by _ _
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added on the 2002-11-08 20:09:18 by _ _
the crackscene is taking over the demoscene...the dope is taking over.
added on the 2002-11-08 23:37:49 by Wain Wain
if only cracktros were better :) while they aren't... ban them :)
added on the 2002-11-09 01:21:32 by Jcl Jcl

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