Breakpoint 2007
category: general [glöplog]
Btw, I also like the idea of a "supporter" ticket that's higher priced. In exchange those buying it could be listed in a thank-you list on the bigscreen or so....
Regarding the city questions: We already receive A LOT of support from the city. You have to keep in mind that getting a permission to do anything on easter weekend in a catholic state already requires a lot of support. We'll also be getting the new seminar location for free this year. Other than that, getting any kind of funding from the city for such an event means A LOT of bureaucracy. Far more than I would have time for right now. Trying to convince the city to run/pay the city shuttle busses however still is on my to-do-list, and would help our budget quite a lot.
Regarding the city questions: We already receive A LOT of support from the city. You have to keep in mind that getting a permission to do anything on easter weekend in a catholic state already requires a lot of support. We'll also be getting the new seminar location for free this year. Other than that, getting any kind of funding from the city for such an event means A LOT of bureaucracy. Far more than I would have time for right now. Trying to convince the city to run/pay the city shuttle busses however still is on my to-do-list, and would help our budget quite a lot.
I'd like to add that discount-prices for girls should be so obvious gender-discrimination (and reducing girls to second-grade sceners as scamp pointed out) so it should be quite obvious to skip the idea already.
The supporter-tickets idea or case-by-case discounts sounds like a good option to me. I'd go or a supporter-ticket if it was only 10-15e extra. Perhaps you could even "bundle" supporter tickets with t-shirts or some other swag, to "justify" higher prices? How about "Official Breakpoint Supporter" beer-mugs? :)
The supporter-tickets idea or case-by-case discounts sounds like a good option to me. I'd go or a supporter-ticket if it was only 10-15e extra. Perhaps you could even "bundle" supporter tickets with t-shirts or some other swag, to "justify" higher prices? How about "Official Breakpoint Supporter" beer-mugs? :)
scamp: you say that the 'girls get in for free' thing isn't a big deal, but it could bring in about 2500 euros. That's quite some cash if you ask me...
Raising the ticket price to 60 Euros and making girls pay 30 Euros? Well, my girlfriend and I will come anyway, but for those male sceners who don't want to leave their non-scene wifes at home it's an entrance fee increase from 45 to 90 Euros i.e. 100%! Might result in many guys not showing up at all...
Just a thought...
Just a thought...
okkie: True. As we are missing 20k in our budget, it's not that's much though ;)
kusma: See selectanovel.
selectanovel: Right. That's why its not an easy decision.
kusma: See selectanovel.
selectanovel: Right. That's why its not an easy decision.
I second Kusma. The supporter ticket shouldn't be much more, but 10 euros is ok and affordable. Buttons is another alternative, just as a token that is really cheap in production. Girls for free is a thing of the past. I'm sure some of the girls think so too.
Bringing your girlfriend or wife has never been for free since you already had to pay for hotel, trip etc. (Unless you both sleep at BP.. pretty unlikely for non scene gfs) A small increase in entrance fee does not change too much.
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but for those male sceners who don't want to leave their non-scene wifes at home it's an entrance fee increase from 45 to 90 Euros
Then make her pay the 30 Euros by herself. Women can do such things nowadays. And even if she doesn't want to go then this shouldn't be a reason to stay at home either. Unless of course you aren't THAT interested in bp or she is a total emo bitch afterwards or you're afraid she'll cheat on you while you're away. But those are issues completely unrelated to the current one.
Seriously.
To state my completely personal opinion on the GGIFF matter: IMHO there's no problem with girls paying the full entrance fee and even less so if some kind of student discount system is in place. The archetypical "non-scene girlfriends" don't add anything to party ambience anyway (except perhaps some raised testosterone levels here and there) - and most female sceners i've talked with don't have any problem whatsoever paying entrance fee for a party they want to go to. Au contraire - the "we're feeling like second class sceners" argument is very well established.
Amen KB!
Doom still has leading ;)
Doom still has leading ;)
i never got why girls would get in for free, and out of fairness, i wouldn't see why they should pay less than any other person that attends. they do get the same entertainment after all.
as kusma pointed out, the girls (come in) for free matter is a sexist one, if things are seen from a touchy perspective. =)
as kusma pointed out, the girls (come in) for free matter is a sexist one, if things are seen from a touchy perspective. =)
I with Doom and Okkie on the "topless" thing.
However, I fear this option could be violated by sceners with man-boobs (you know who you are).
And that's just scary...
However, I fear this option could be violated by sceners with man-boobs (you know who you are).
And that's just scary...
Do my dog get in for free?
Sure, if it's female and topless
dropping the girls-get-in-free rule won't exactly raise all the money breakpoint needs, but it will shake off the old notion that girls wouldn't otherwise want to attend such a demoparty, or that the guys who go are all lonely bastards who couldn't get a girlfriend anyway (that's only the case part of the time now :).
a VIP ticket might be cool. could we get comfy couches in the front row and and two compo votes instead of one? :)
a VIP ticket might be cool. could we get comfy couches in the front row and and two compo votes instead of one? :)
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two compo votes instead of one
How about just selling extra votes for 5e/vote or something? ;)
I'd (gladly) pay a bit more money and I'll also buy my beer at the infodesk again this year ;-)
Raise the entrance fee to like like 55-60€, make the girls pay too and (if possible) lower the cash prizes or the overall value (if not sponsored)... I see a problem with the student-discounts though, because actually a lot of people (including myself) will qualify for some sort of "student" discount IMHO...
Raise the entrance fee to like like 55-60€, make the girls pay too and (if possible) lower the cash prizes or the overall value (if not sponsored)... I see a problem with the student-discounts though, because actually a lot of people (including myself) will qualify for some sort of "student" discount IMHO...
Archmage: A button would suffice in the 10e price (and would indeed be awesome). I was thinking something a bit more expensive to cover raising the supporter-ticket even another bit with the T-shirts/mugs/whatever ;)
scamp/selectanovel: How about those people (boys or girls) who have boyfriends that aren't interested enough in the scene to want to pay full price? Adding discrimination to solve a not-that-common problem is a poor solution imo.
scamp/selectanovel: How about those people (boys or girls) who have boyfriends that aren't interested enough in the scene to want to pay full price? Adding discrimination to solve a not-that-common problem is a poor solution imo.
scamp: Did you even consider it? Topless tickets, man! Boobs! Problem solved!
But in any case, so far I believe girls who get in for free have always had the option of paying anyway. I can't imagine they'd be denied a different colour armband if they asked to be treated like first-class sceners and pay for one. They're really getting the better end of the deal - IF they want it. Of course, if they're actually asked to make that choice that introduces some awkward pressure, and girls are very sensitive to these things. ;)
Anyway if you try to make everything too "fair" you'll end up drowning in politically correct bullshit and alienating everyone. This idea with discounts for people travelling far, for example - it sounds great but it's also open to abuse. Truck, as someone mentioned, could easily convince you he was flying in from the US. To avoid that you'd need to ask him to show plane tickets, and then you're already knee-deep. Or you could say "nah, we know this guy, he wouldn't do that", but then that's the worst kind of socialism, the kind with preferential treatment for your friends.
If you start to go down that road you'll also hurt the nice expediency of it all. Right now, you arrive, you pay, you're in. If you have a vagina you skip the second part. Then the armband itches every now and then, but apart from that you never have to feel like you're being organized. Be careful with that cause it's very important to the party.
Eh, so anyway.. how about an anonymous donation system? Couldn't hurt. Just allow VISA payment somehow cause I hates Paypal. :)
But in any case, so far I believe girls who get in for free have always had the option of paying anyway. I can't imagine they'd be denied a different colour armband if they asked to be treated like first-class sceners and pay for one. They're really getting the better end of the deal - IF they want it. Of course, if they're actually asked to make that choice that introduces some awkward pressure, and girls are very sensitive to these things. ;)
Anyway if you try to make everything too "fair" you'll end up drowning in politically correct bullshit and alienating everyone. This idea with discounts for people travelling far, for example - it sounds great but it's also open to abuse. Truck, as someone mentioned, could easily convince you he was flying in from the US. To avoid that you'd need to ask him to show plane tickets, and then you're already knee-deep. Or you could say "nah, we know this guy, he wouldn't do that", but then that's the worst kind of socialism, the kind with preferential treatment for your friends.
If you start to go down that road you'll also hurt the nice expediency of it all. Right now, you arrive, you pay, you're in. If you have a vagina you skip the second part. Then the armband itches every now and then, but apart from that you never have to feel like you're being organized. Be careful with that cause it's very important to the party.
Eh, so anyway.. how about an anonymous donation system? Couldn't hurt. Just allow VISA payment somehow cause I hates Paypal. :)
A little bit offtopic for the last few pages but what 'bout a Realtime GFX Compo? 1/2 Hour? Prefered: live on the stage...
Phoenix: Allowing people to pay extra for extra votes is the same as saying wealthy people is more worthy in the demoscene. Sure, with my Norwegian oil-money, that's all fine and dandy! You have my vote!
Comfy chairs would be awesome, but I guess kinda hard to manage. I guess you'll rather have to bet on someone you know to bother reserving seats ;)
Comfy chairs would be awesome, but I guess kinda hard to manage. I guess you'll rather have to bet on someone you know to bother reserving seats ;)
The problem with the "premium ticket" is that if you expect more, it would cost more, so in the end, not much has changed.
the point at SE was that a VIP ticket owner would get about 2x more, and pay 10x. or so flemming explained to me. and plek happily accepted :D
Establishing a donation service now might be a good idea as it's not difficult to implement and for many people it might be nice to donate some euros a month in advance instead of paying a forced incread amount "en bloc". And you also get some people to donate, who don't actually go to the party but like the feeling that bp is existing.
Of course, you won't ever close a gap of 20k by this... so I guess finding a couple of new sponsors is the mission. Still I think it's a nice idea after all, also for coming breakpoints.
What about charging some money from those participating in a compo? Would that be considered as gambling?
Or add a "Solidaritätszuschlag" of 10% on everything that is beeing sold on the party!
Feuer frei! ;-)
Of course, you won't ever close a gap of 20k by this... so I guess finding a couple of new sponsors is the mission. Still I think it's a nice idea after all, also for coming breakpoints.
What about charging some money from those participating in a compo? Would that be considered as gambling?
Or add a "Solidaritätszuschlag" of 10% on everything that is beeing sold on the party!
Feuer frei! ;-)
skrebbel: then again, Plek was a young lad with money to burn, not exactly your prime example of a BP party go-er. :)
"i paid 100e to get inside breakpoint2007 and all i got was this lousy tshirt" tshirts would be nice way to support breakpoint :D (obviously paying 100e instead of 60e, and the only bonus beeing the tshirt)
