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Hm interesting..

I was once attacked by an old man in a pub for being an immigrant - a very rare occasion I must say, and that was in the North where people are a bit primitive (true :-)). Anyway, he claimed that his sons where working in the factory so that I could have free education and free health insurance.

You can see the irony in that the "native" was holding a lowly paid job, usually associated with "immigrants", while the immigrant (me) was working in an "office" environment. A reversal of roles ! Yet his attitude was still the same.

Truth is, ofcourse, that nothing comes for free and I have paid my taxes and duties for many years. Even my education was paid partly through funds coming from a poorer country...

But would his sons work where I work ? no. Would I go to the factory ? no.. You get my point ?
added on the 2006-09-11 11:13:55 by Navis Navis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/born_abroad/countries/html/overview. stm
You can say all you wish, but immigration isn't only due to european union in britain.. You live in an attractive country, so here's the downside of it..
added on the 2006-09-11 14:10:46 by nystep nystep
I guess the definition of "attractive" varies..
added on the 2006-09-11 14:12:42 by Navis Navis
The thing you have to understand is that the old man was probably made of custard.
added on the 2006-09-11 16:18:41 by xeron xeron
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and that was in the North where people are a bit primitive


that is absolutely right. every scener from the north i know is virtually the missing link (syphus, darkus, dvs)...
Francis, your comments are correct as long as they refer to your country of origin. Why do you believe anyone has the right to immigrate to another country then demand that change happens? Now if you immigrate then take citizenship of that country, it's a different question. But my point still stands - people who immigrate to a country (any country) have come voluntarily. If they don't like it, leave.

If you go to stay in a friends house, do you think you have the right to demand they change their furniture? No. But if you buy a share of a friends house of course you do. That's the difference between immigration and citizenship. Immigration means you're here for convenience. Citizenship means you want to make the country your home.

Gasman, you missed the 27,000 (yes, TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND) child benefit applications referenced in that article. The article also doesn't state how many get local council benefits (housing, council tax etc). The article also doesn't point out the increased burden on the NHS and other social infrastructures.

Oh and for anyone who thinks I'm some right-wing nut, you're very wrong. Many people will tell you I want to emigrate to another country. I completely believe in the need for freedom of movement of SKILLED workers. The difference is that when I do move there I won't bitch about the conditions because it was my choice to go.
added on the 2006-09-11 16:40:33 by defbase defbase
Oh and smash - yes ;)
added on the 2006-09-11 16:41:13 by defbase defbase
defbase: DONT BELIEVE THE MEDIA!!!
Why, by the virtue that you are born somewhere, or worse, because you are born of people of a certain descent, should you deserve certain rights or be deprived of others? What is the rationality behind this? What is the gain of this?

Also, isn't it dangerous to have two different kind of citizens, with different rights, fighting for the same jobs of one single country? Isn't it a big advantage for the companies, who might then prefer the immigrants for their lack of rights?

My ancestors didn't even have the right to leave their own town, now englishmen like to retire in my country. Even importing their own products and shops. Why should I care, why shouldn't have the same rights than others who follow the same laws?

Or maybe is it that only the rich and powerful can freely move around the world. Just like the privileged of the middle ages.



added on the 2006-09-11 20:30:29 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Shortened, what I think here really annoys me is the idea that immigrants should prove themselves to quite harder standards than the citizens abide to. There's no reason why they shouldn't be judged to the same standards.
added on the 2006-09-11 20:32:42 by _-_-__ _-_-__
The issue isn't the standard that the migrants are judged to. The issue is that some migrants want a change to our employment laws and system of governance, which they have no right to request.
added on the 2006-09-11 22:59:05 by defbase defbase
to even talk about individual countries and their "rights" is moot. If you ahvent noticed, international ogans have taken over most jurisdiction anyway. You slept in class, and now we have been taken over by people who are far smarter than we are. EU has of now blessed europe with no less than 107.000 laws, superimposed on the law of the nation. We are widely being put in under the law of commerce, thats right folks. You are a franchice. SO it matters fuckhole where you were produced, because in the order of things, you will be used or disposed as human trash, where the masters seem fit. Thus for anything to change, people everywhere, no matter where they originated from, must start to rebel. Not by force, but lack of corporation with the system in place.

in short. what you belive to be the laws that govern such issues are in fact not. because it all comes down to deals none of us has any influence upon.
added on the 2006-09-12 10:17:24 by NoahR NoahR

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