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Interesting movie on 9/11

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So, Pouet is full of silly threads, why not start a totally non-scene-related one?

Here is a brilliant documentary a young filmist has just released:

It's free to download. This movie, titled 'Loose Change 911' puts September 11 into a whole new light, and definitely not the way of those stupid conspiracy-theories. I am always treating such documentaries with heavy critics, and this one really stands it.

Why putting it on Pouet? Well, because if you liked the movie, you can help spreading it worldwide by translating the subtitles to your language. I am doing the Hungarian version, Danish and French are already available. There is also an English one for better understanding and a basis for translations.

Let's help this guy, even though he's not a demomaker, but put up a great job. Or, if you are not interested, please keep your flames for other threads, thank you.
added on the 2006-04-22 03:47:52 by tomcat tomcat
Ah, yes, and fuck BB code.


The correct link.
added on the 2006-04-22 03:48:46 by tomcat tomcat
hmm links to the 1st and 2nd parts of the movies are down..
Tomcat, I'm sorry, but I just had the most evil thought:

I could translate it into Republican.
haha, what an evil scheme
added on the 2006-04-22 10:59:09 by stonda stonda
There are several other download sources on the Wikipedia page of this movie.
added on the 2006-04-22 13:49:26 by sparcus sparcus
added on the 2006-04-22 13:53:19 by oxb oxb
In respective to this issue one can spot out even more
information at following sites:


That 9/11 inside job- joker may have finally jumped out of
the box ... even in "small town" america.
Far more important and interesting to watch is the action
that's been taken by the current U.S. administration to
whitewash this facts using the corporate media and even
Hollywood movie producers to keep the average citizen
"in line" for their agenda to get a hold of the resources in
central asia and -what is most important- to set up a neo-facist
leadership in the U.S. by dismanteling their constitution and
the Bill Of Rights and their amendments using the Patriot Act II.

What does this have in common with people outside U.S.?
Well, look at your current gov. and how they get influenced by industry and commerce.
Then look back to the current issues going on overseas and you might see the pretext what will happen in about 50 year all over the world... if nothing happens.


George Walker Bush:
Power tends to corrupt...and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

note that there is no "tends" in the second part of the statement.
added on the 2006-04-22 13:56:01 by d0DgE d0DgE
correction of 1st url
added on the 2006-04-22 14:08:35 by d0DgE d0DgE
Meanwhile the filmmakers mailed be back, and wrote that they already have German, French, Polish and Slovakian subs, but it's not yet on the website. Go ahead, rest of Europe. :)
added on the 2006-04-22 16:04:00 by tomcat tomcat
alrerady seen it. its disturbing...........
Ah yes, also Spanish subs are done.
added on the 2006-04-22 16:51:25 by tomcat tomcat

I am always treating such documentaries with heavy critics, and this one really stands it.

Ok, just watched the thing and I beg to differ. A good conspiracy theory should atleast offer some credibility while this once doesn't even come close. For example, nobody doubts that it were actual planes that hit the world trade center, so why on earth would you send a misile into the pentagon instead of an actual plane? That just doesn't make sense.

Or let's take another example, the gold ring around Bin Laden's finger. It took me less than 5 seconds of googling to find out that there are other videos of Bin Laden which show him wearing the same ring. It does stand the critics? Don't make me laugh :-)
added on the 2006-04-22 18:33:09 by sparcus sparcus
Because a plane would cause much bigger mess than a cruise missile, especially if fitted with a much weaker cordite explosive head instead of the usual amatol charge. Also it is not that easy to drive a plane into such a flat building like the Pentagon.

For bin Laden's ring, OK, let's assume he actually has one, but how do you explain him writing with the right hand, and how come his face is not even close to the photos we know of him?
added on the 2006-04-22 21:01:28 by tomcat tomcat
Ah, OK, I fucked it up. So, cruise missiles (and generally all NATO artillery missiles and shells) contain amatol, a very high powered explosive. However, it's quite easy to replace the head with a different charge, can it be anything from a nuclear warhead to a dummy. It is really not impossible to build a cordite charge, which is still a strong explosive, but will not blow up the entire Pentagon. Cordite is actually not really used as a warhead charge, but an artillery propellant, gunpowder, if you prefer.
added on the 2006-04-22 22:04:17 by tomcat tomcat
it gives you a lot of questions, no answers, and the goverment is indeed covering up tracks (black boxes, video tapes from gas stations near pentagon etc) .. so yes, without a doubt there's something fishy. And without a doubt, you should question everything the american goverment has to say about this.

However, there is nothing we can do about this, or is it?
added on the 2006-04-22 22:57:39 by thec thec
and btw, watch "wag the dog" if you haven't already.
added on the 2006-04-22 22:58:25 by thec thec
Oh yeah, Wag The Dog is a brilliant movie that delivered such a precise foresight (ok, with a sarcastic eyeblink) on what's up nowadays.

About Pentagon:

- No airplane rubble
- No dead passengers (about 60 were on board) found
- No smashed airplane interieur (seats, bags, _blackbox_)
- Homing manuver was so damn difficult, even experienced airliner pilots said: "Nearly impossible to complete by a human beeing"
- Donny Rumsfeld's office is located on the "easiest" side of the complex. Aircraft device turned a 270 degree circle and hit the least populated most reinforced part of the building...pretty special choice of target if you want to kill the secretary of defense, isn't it?
- 1st suicide-pilot aleged to Flight 77 (Pentagon) called few days after so called attack from Saudi Arabia: "Say what...I'm alive, jerks"

The nicest stuff of all:
Since it's establishing in the 1950's the N.O.R.A.D was in charge of generals. Days before the attacks Richard Cheney ordered Rumsfeld to hand over the command of NORAD to himself, so this military institution was in the control of a creeping neo-con that ordered a Stand Down to _not_ intercept the real hijacked airliners and later forced scrambled interceptors not to fly with an average speed of greater than 350mph.

Eric Hufschmid f.e. tells, it might've been possible that the original airplane (Boing 757 flight 77) was grounded at an airbase in Ohio and a Global Hawk drone was scrambled instead that later hit the Pentagon.
Do your google on what a Global Hawk is.
6 have been built for the U.S.A.F. ...until now 2 of 'em have been reported "Lost in _ongoing_ operations".
And they are hell-expensive!

See "Painful Deceptions" a very semi-professional, yet very infomative video by Hufschmid
added on the 2006-04-23 00:13:27 by d0DgE d0DgE
Hungarian subtitle completed, downloading movie to test it...
Come on, join.
added on the 2006-04-23 00:50:15 by tomcat tomcat
so youre thinking just because theres an accident at pentagon suddenly all secret mumbojumbo about the place is dropped and journalists allowed in to take hires photos?
added on the 2006-04-23 01:10:57 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
d0dge: where does it say that they wanted to kill rumsfeld?

anyways: i did see the 2nd edition of "loose change" at a local "911 conspiracy" movie screening a while back, and yes, it did give me way more questions than answers, and, unfortunately, in that, it was not really that "useful" for me. It was kinda like logging on to the internet, and ending up on a conspiracy site. The only thing missing were the area 51 and grey aliens references.

What i would have wanted to have seen would have been a proper documentary (not something done by, and made to look like done by, a bunch of kids) about a single part of the whole event. Now it just had waay too much topics, none of which were taken into their proper conclusion (dunno how possible that is, but i would've wanted to see/hear more indepth stuff about the various single events and the supposed causes of them)..

Partially "loose change" is no better than all the "you must now kill in the name of christ and patriotism" propaganda that the main-stream media (in the states, and elsewhere) is pumping out currently.

If you're more interested about how things are fucked up, watch "the corporation" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379225/) and "why do we fight" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436971/) instead.

(btw has any one of you checked the share price of haliburton lately and compared it to the pre-war level?;-)

(btw2 i laughed my ass off when they tried to make the whole 911 thing into "die hard 3, part 2", which was just thrown in the air and not pondered over at all).
added on the 2006-04-23 01:12:52 by uncle-x uncle-x
Stefan: to proof that it was an airplane and no drone, what would have been a better evidence than burned bodies of passengers in the rubble of the "Five-Corner-Mall".
But there weren't any.

X: if you want to believe in the words of the gov. why else should "evildoers" from planet Allah drop an airplane on the U.S. defence building. Or did they want to kill the faithless workslaves that currently reinforced the empty wing of the building, did they?
Remember that airspace around this (and other gov-buildings in D.C. is forbidden to commercial airtraffic)

To sum it up: The whole thing was a fraud.
And at least the U.S. citizens can be happy about the fighterstaff that intercepted the 4th flight in Pensylvania.
If Alex Jones' theory had come true -that the 4th plane was aimed to hit the U.S. Congress and Senate- Bush/Cheney could have declared total martial law at the very day of Sept. 11th 2001 and everything would have become much worse. So there is still time for them to raise against Patriot Act and Homeland Security Act etc.
and thanks to American Civil Liberties Union more and more people do.
added on the 2006-04-23 13:07:55 by d0DgE d0DgE
d0DgE: Check out this page, it explains a lot of your questions about the Pentagon attack. Ofcourse it's just as reliable as any other source on the Internet ;-)

If you like conspiracy theories that much than better focus on a more realistic one: did (some) people at the US government saw 9/11 coming and decide not to do anything about it because they could abuse it for their own political agenda?
added on the 2006-04-23 13:47:28 by sparcus sparcus
"Why do we fight" is quite good, yes.
interesting movie. imo the truth is somewhere in the middle.
added on the 2006-04-23 15:47:11 by 4kum4 4kum4


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