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R.I.P. Karlheinz Stockhausen

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Boulez and Schönberg - thanks. I will look into those. If anything, this thread has awakened my looking for music unknown to me, to re-ignite my spark, so to say.


about fucking time
added on the 2007-12-10 21:15:17 by psenough psenough
Only a true artist can bring up so much controversy, even after his death.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:16:49 by sparcus sparcus
Nutman, I can try make you a list of interesting composers to check out..

*** Oliver Messiaen -- Deeply religious, he wrote some really beautiful music. He mixes the pointillist piano of serialism with some romanticism and exotic influences. He mix those influences very well creating symphonies with recordings, genuinely new instruments (at the time) like the ondes maternot, with the classical orchestra of wind, chords and drums.

You might recognize how he influenced a lot of movie soundtracks..

(My impressions based on a recording of "Des Canyons aux Etoiles")

Also rather easy to get into, since he does not go very far into making completely foreign structures.

added on the 2007-12-10 21:20:47 by _-_-__ _-_-__
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Well, I learned that if you set off on the wrong foot, people will most likely neglect all your following arguments, regardless how valid they may be.


maybe you can use that experience as a hint to think before speaking and stfu when noticing that what you said might not actually be all that accurate until you do further research on the matter. it sure beats reocuringly shooting yourself in the foot while having everyone else think you're nothing more then another ego absorbed smartass. we already have a keops.

keops: sorry sweety, i couldnt resist *** gotta flame them all while the flamethrower is hot :P
added on the 2007-12-10 21:21:44 by psenough psenough
Also I really love how Olivier Messiaen manages to imitate bird songs =)
added on the 2007-12-10 21:21:54 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Damn I wish I could edit posts now.

So yeah recommended works by O.Messiaen:

Turangalîla
Des Canyons Aux Etoiles
added on the 2007-12-10 21:22:52 by _-_-__ _-_-__
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it annoys me when people rather stay in their shrine of self-importance neglecting that a world outside their bubbled ego is actually there for them to explore and comprehend.


This is coming from a guy who thinks everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. The same guy who judged my music without even listening to it.

Nutman is actually the most objective person here because he's at least trying to see both sides to the argument.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:22:55 by Flunce Flunce
buttler: i dont think everyone who disagrees with me is an idiot. i think you are one because of what you said through this discussion. there is a difference, the fact that you can't even notice it speaks alot on how self-absorbed you truly are.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:26:14 by psenough psenough
ps, forget it. He will never listen and he's not even a real scener anyway. So fuck whatever he says.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:27:56 by okkie okkie
okkie: i disagree!! you're an idiot!! *grin*
added on the 2007-12-10 21:28:54 by psenough psenough
I've just tried listening to Olivier Messiaen and once again I don't understand the appeal. Please, someone explain it to me and I will try to understand where you're coming from.

My problem with this sort of music is it's so random and has no structure that my mind can follow, making it sound "unmusical". It's a sound I've always come to associate with amateurs or non-musical people and this is why I'm not respecting these artists.

added on the 2007-12-10 21:29:00 by Flunce Flunce
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ps, forget it. He will never listen and he's not even a real scener anyway.


What makes you more of a scener than me?
added on the 2007-12-10 21:32:30 by Flunce Flunce
** Edgar Varese --

He's got a very keen ear for texture and fat brasses and voices. Using the whole orchestra as a sound texture generator, creating tension between the quiet, and the very loud, between the soft and the very abrasive.

Recommended works: Ionisation, Ameriques..

Also he participated in one of the very first fully electronically produced audiovisual work: Poeme Electronique .. It's the oldest video in my "demos" directory, 1958.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:33:01 by _-_-__ _-_-__
watch the youtube videos from stockhausen explaining sounds and the documentary on zappa that hempest posted. thats a nice start.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:33:08 by psenough psenough
[quote]the fact that you can hear but refuse to listen, read the words and fail to assimilate the sentence into an understanding. it annoys me when people rather stay in their shrine of self-importance neglecting that a world outside their bubbled ego is actually there for them to explore and comprehend.

you're obviously not a retard, so why do you insist in locking yourself up in a bubble of clearly unfundamented biased self-rightous pseudo-important opinions instead of educating yourself in the matters that are being discussed prior to invoking your so highly praised right to an opinion. it's common courtesy in a civilized discussion and not that much to ask for in a thread created to honor someones life work.[
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Now, this would all make sense to me, if the first "clash" we ever had was NOT you make a rather uncalled for one-liner comment on one of my comments to a classic prod, where I obviously disagreed with you. You must have been following my commenting history for a while, silently, and just waiting for a time to strike with disgust - not an especially flattering feature, if you ask me.

But ok, we could also just agree to disagree, but somehow I think it won't be that easy - am I right? ;)
Buttler I'm sorry but no, you can't possibly have "listened" to anything in the 5 minutes that lasted between my post and your post.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:33:38 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Wow, first time I ever missed with BBCODE. Bummer.
** Iannis Xenakis -- Well, this one's an odd ball. He's an architect making music like a mathematician would make paintings. Or something.

Very much into mimicking physical phenomena while writing music, he's a big producer of interesting material about producing rule-based scores. His big thing was stochastic scores, that is, scores made out of probabilities.

He also helped developed new technologies, and was really into using electronic devices to create his works.. For example to manipulate the sound spectrum directly.

Musique Formelle (french version

Recommended works: Echange, Diamorphoses II (a very electronic track), Pithoprakta (an acoustic work where he creates swarms of notes .. it's almost like hearing a storm made out of chords)
added on the 2007-12-10 21:42:11 by _-_-__ _-_-__
ps. I did watch the Stockhausen interview, but he just sounded a typical pretentious artist hyping his own work and trying to convince people there's something to it. It's the classic "Emperor's New Clothes" trick.


!=: Yes I did and I'm listening to Ionisation now, which again just sounds like random noise. It's not even as if they're inventing sounds, they're using conventional drums, police sirens and bells.

added on the 2007-12-10 21:42:43 by Flunce Flunce
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I've just tried listening to Olivier Messiaen and once again I don't understand the appeal. Please, someone explain it to me and I will try to understand where you're coming from.


like ps said, all you need to do is get of your shrine, realize there's a whole wide world out there and that it certainly does NOT revolve around you and your overinflated ego and opinions. that's the key. the zen.
you talk about randomness and a lack of structure....here's something that'll blow your mind: certain loops of static samples, if you listen very carefully, contain patterns. listen to some of Autechre's stuff. to the unsophisticated ear it sounds like a sea of confusion but with a keen there are definite patterns. it's not all random noise, i assure you


added on the 2007-12-10 21:46:48 by button button
*keen ear
added on the 2007-12-10 21:47:44 by button button
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has no structure that my mind can follow


Have you considered the possibility that the issue might be with your mind and not with the music?
added on the 2007-12-10 21:48:52 by Preacher Preacher
nutman: sorry to disapoint you, again typical keops syndrome, but i dont exist to pick on you. i follow the demoscene releases and ocasionally i make the mistake of reading your comments which more then often shine violently into atention for their blunt narrowmindedness. judging things before attempting to understand them or even considering the implications of what you're stating is not what i call an opinion, its just stupidity. i know it can happen casually, i incur in that mistake aswell, no one is perfect, but ffs, when people are explaining you their diferent pov, stfu and learn something from it instead of defending your right to an opinion like it's some sort of enlightned path to the 70 virgins of ala.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:51:27 by psenough psenough
I'm considering the possibility that Buttler is simply trolling.
added on the 2007-12-10 21:58:13 by _-_-__ _-_-__

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