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• cdcs:
• cdc #1: PROTOZOA by Kewlers [web]
• cdc #2: V2 Synthesizer System by Farbrausch [web]
• cdc #3: Unclear Throat by Pluisje
• cdc #4: Edge of Disgrace by Booze Design
• cdc #5: Absolute Territory by Prismbeings

• demo JavaScript eqvalhalla (Lyric Video) by slay bells
• Quote:

  I'll certainly try to clarify my standpoint and I hope you'll find the time to read and not necessarily agree but at least better understand where I'm coming from.

  
  
  So I've got good and bad news for you.
  The good news: Yes, I found the time to read what you've written and I can say that I've now got a pretty clear and unambiguous understanding where you are coming from.
  The bad news: This probably didn't at all work as you intended.
  
  So please forgive me if I won't reply to any of the parts that can only be described as years of uncritical ingestion of Joe Rogan podcasts, and stay focused on the demo itself, or rather its exegesis.
  
  Let's start with what's arguably the central point of this:
  
  
  Quote:

  Arguments are easy made while others are still bruising

  
  
  Your interpretation is: "We decide when and what to argue!". Can I please ask (rhetorically), how the heck you are arriving at this? Aren't you the person that just hours ago said, "the replies have so far focused either on something someone else has said, or something I've supposedly said but clearly haven't."? And suddenly you're the expert at discerning the Hidden Political Meaning Behind Everything - which, even if there hypothetically were a kernel of truth to it, literally falls into the "someone else said it" category?
  
  If we just take this sentence at face value, there's nothing imperative or nominative about this. Instead it's purely descriptive. And herein lies the crux of the matter, and why you're so hell bent on arguing against it: In its essence, it describes you.
  
  It pains me to have to explain the "still bruising" part but let's just remember that less than a week before this demo was released, the person who sexually assaulted one of the creators went public here on Pouet whining about how it was no big deal. So that one's pretty much obvious.
  
  On to "Arguments are easy made". Now take a long, hard look at yourself, and realize you're the person who not only tries to politicise a piece of art that is at its core deeply personal to its creators, but who has the sheer audacity to try to derail any discussion about it and move the goalposts to fucking Mars by replying to it with page after page of, pardon my French, tired, pseudo-intellectual, centrist drivel.
  
  And look how nobody made even the slightest attempt at keeping you from doing so. This is the second funniest thing about it: By posting here you pretty much invalidated your own point completely. But I mean, that's as expected as it is boring, because you already know that the whole "trying to control the conversation" spiel is completely made up. For you it's just a game.
  
  But the funniest part is still to come. See, full disclosure here - I helped a bit with the demo, and I've got pretty much the whole inside scoop on the lyrics, which experiences informed them and what the actual intent behind them is. And I must apologize - when I said that line was descriptive, that was kind of a lie. What the line actually was, was predictive.
  
  Yes, it anticipated the discussion that would ensue, and was specifically designed to call out the likes of you who would inevitably, compulsively try to detract from the actual topic and in the process completely expose themselves publicly.
  
  And you fell for it. Hook, line and sinker.
  
  But you know what, let's quickly go through your other attempts at interpretation...
  
  
  Quote:

  A safe space for our self worth is what you now owe to me

  
  
  Your interpretation: "A safe space in current discourse usually means something vastly more ideologically complex than freedom from harassment.". Yeah, uh, see above. You're just projecting again. The exact choice of words was admittedly slightly provocative, but you made the mistake of omitting the "for our self worth" part from your "analysis", and would you know even a small part of the countless stories women in the demoscene have about having their skills and contributions routinely dismissed, _regardless of their track record or "standing"_, the actual meaning of this line would've been clear as day. Instead, naah, you went for "something something politics" again. Well done.
  
  
  Quote:

  You don't get to call it drama when we're calling out the shit

  
  
  I mean, this is one of the most unambiguous lines in the whole text - it references a very specific pattern that occurs a lot especially here on Pouet: Someone calls out some shitty thing that happened, and suddenly people that have nothing to do with the whole thing swoop in from the side and complain about "drama" - as if the problem wasn't the shitty thing that happened, but people talking about it. Let's just say that this behaviour is... unnecessary at best, and while this line pretty much tells those people to shove their "valuable contributions" into their collective assholes, what you make of it - "We are the sole judges and jurors. Don't question us!" - is again just you trying to push your overbearing political agenda onto something that is clearly referencing a specific problem within the scene.
  
  And so on, and so on. Everything you said was reading something into the text that's clearly not there, and, uh, thanks for the insight into all the unrelated stuff that's going on in your mind I guess, but as far as I'm concerned, this is the discussion thread of a demoscene production, not a random dump of incoherent political leanings, so it'd be nice if you kept it at that. Thank you.
• isokadded on the 2021-08-01 20:37:41
• demo JavaScript eqvalhalla (Lyric Video) by slay bells
• Quote:

  Other than that, the replies have so far focused either on something someone else has said, or something I've supposedly said but clearly haven't.

  
  
  Ok fine, I'll bite. Let's reply to what you said directly. Because the fun part here is that _you_ are the one making one wishy washy strawman argument after the next, and haven't managed to address anything that's actually _in_ the demo at all.
  
  
  Quote:

  This is the establishment pushing establishment views packaged as if they were subversive or contrarian: preponderance as punk.

  
  
  Two logical fallacies in this:
  
  1. Nobody claimed it was punk. There's a lot of guitars in the soundtrack, yes, and the point is presented in a rather loud way, but this doesn't make it "contrarian", it just means that there's something that according to the authors really needs saying, and after all the bullshit that has been going on on this very site in the last weeks alone, I'd wholeheartedly agree.
  
  2. You're conflating "establishment" with societal consensus. You're right in that punk goes against established power structures, but that doesn't mean that punks start murdering people left and right because, actually, they kinda agree with the "establishment" that this is a bad thing to do (billionaires notwithstanding of course). Of course you could construe an argument now that what I call consensus is in fact brainwashing by a small leftist elite that's operating above even the for the most part conservative and right wing governments in the western world, but then please excuse me in advance for laughing about the stupid far right conspiracy theory that this would be.
  
  
  Quote:

  the lyrics seems to make the point that equality and solidarity means total, unquestioning acceptance of the authors as the sole judges and jurors in every case of linguistic minutiae, however misconstrued

  
  
  I know you said "seems [sic] to" to get yourself out of any accountability in that regard, but in reality there's exactly nothing in the lyrics or demo that would suggest anything about "linguistic minutiae", as you wrote so eloquently, probably because the actual meaning of this - "you can't say anything anymore" - is again a far right fantasy, as is trying to frame the left as authoritarian ("total, unquestioning"). That's the biggest strawman right there. You're literally just dumping a bunch of talking points in here that have nothing to to with the content of the demo whatsoever. And in fact, it even contradicts what you've said earlier - if they're just pushing already established views, how is it possible to become "the sole judges and jurors" of those views?
  
  
  Quote:

  I have a hard time accepting how it's framed and, more importantly, what seems to be the suggested solution

  
  
  And I have a hard time believing that what you seem to think is the framing and suggested solution is anything more than projection on your part, but if you're intersted in actually discussing it without resorting to vague generalisms, feel free to elaborate.
• isokadded on the 2021-08-01 14:24:20
• demo Amiga OCS/ECS RULE 30 by Andromeda [web]
• What tempest said about the soundtrack - it's nice composition wise but it just sounds lackluster (not the Finn) IMHO. The effects, especially the bubbles at the end, more than make up for it tho :)
• rulezadded on the 2021-07-13 20:03:31
• demo Windows sp04 - Geiler Hydrant by Spacepigs [web]
• Literally: Bravo.
• rulezadded on the 2021-07-13 13:04:37
• demo Commodore 64 Wild Freespin by Reflex [web]
• Err.. I meant Quiss, not „squids“, dear autocorrect…
• isokadded on the 2021-07-04 17:25:08
• demo Commodore 64 Wild Freespin by Reflex [web]
• Nah, we‘re impressed because the 1541 has even less video hardware than a 2600, and it still works :)
  
  Great trick with not doing hsync for a portion of the screen btw, I think you just made the unrecordable(st) demo :)
  
  No, honestly, this is the level of madness I‘d expected from you, squids, and I love it.
  
  (not a selfvote btw, the soundtrack is a cover version, I just consulted a little)
• rulezadded on the 2021-07-04 17:21:58
• 16k Commodore 64 Conservative Megademo by Pers' Wastaiset Produktiot [web]
• That's some proper glitchery; especially love the sync and the colors there
• rulezadded on the 2021-06-04 16:50:14
• demotool Windows Capturinha
• Fine, I wanted to wait with the next release a bit but this bug warrants one - 0.3.0 released, available at the download URL.
  
  Now with - Oldschool Upscale
  
  Did you want to upload your older low-res stuff or your favourite emu output, but Youtube completely destroyed the video with its low bitrates? Fret no more! Because with Oldschool Upscale (TM) you can convert your precious pixels into perfectly sized little squares until you hit the resolution where even YT can't help itself but give you the good bitrates!
• isokadded on the 2021-05-24 21:51:22
• demo Windows JavaScript Square One by mfx [web]
• Much love for the visuals and that raw soundtrack; and as far as the "losing pace" thing is concerned - That was certainly a point when watching it in the compo but actually went away when I rewatched it. There's a certain patience/flow mindset that you need for this kind of production, and if you get into that, it's just paced well.
• rulezadded on the 2021-05-19 17:24:42
• wild Wild Outline 2021 Crosswords Challenge
• That was a fun one. Also, what is taking y'all so long :D
• rulezadded on the 2021-05-19 17:06:48