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So? A lot of software has been written in assembler, C and other languages demos are written in. Doesn't make the coder of said software a scener or relevant to the demoscene in any way.

Fair call. I'll install windows 8.1, and the sdk for dx11.whatever and pay a fuckload of money to microsoft for visualstudio. And then I'll be able to write some demos.

Or.....
I could continue fixing spagetti c code for a few of my clients (let's be honest - beer buyers) and pretty much enjoy getting paid anyway.

Your narrow-mindedness is actually quite scary.
Again since I don't fit into you view of what a "scener" I shouldn't be here?

I thought I was bringing something to the table that I would've thought at least a few of you might have partaken of. Since no-one's actually responded with a positive I'm guessing I'm a bit too old for you guys.
Oh well.

There are other ways to contributing to the scene than coding. Posting random crap on Pouet is not one of them, though.

You don't even need to go to a party to contribute to the scene.

Elucidate please.

Okay, let me try to address this in a civilized manner.

First off disclaimer, I'm probably one of the few who know what Corewars is/was, I spent some time screwing around with it when I was ~10, so I didn't require an explanation. Others might not have been so fortunate.

But let's take a look at the gist of the issue here: You opened a thread, and it sank. Yes, it's unfortunate, and you can argue that there are no constructive posts, but no-one is required to be interested in an off-topic post, and I have a feeling people not posting instead of posting how they're not interested is probably one of the better scenarios. See, just because it's tangentially code-related doesn't automatically make it interesting, especially not if you as the OP don't bother explaining what it actually is - most of the OP is really about your experience and not what Corewars is. I mean sure, you can ASSUME that everyone knows what you're talking about, again, nothing wrong with that, but then don't act surprised when it turns out that people don't.

So the thread sank. And while bumping an off-topic thread that sank without a reply in itself is not an offence, what Mog (who btw is a bit more than "a little smartarse" - you should try checking out the rest of the site to find out why) is trying to point out is an apparent repeated fundamental misunderstanding here: You get the reaction you earn over time, cumulative. This is the demoscene, a meritocracy, where your reputation is based on what you've done in the past, and your current actions are always judged based on that. That by no means translates into "once done goofed, always done goofed", but you gotta work hard to offset that: It means that once you've done your bidding and worked hard to contribute, you get a bit of leeway when it comes to cocking around.

And on the note of contributing, it's not as hard as seems (or as hard as people sometimes make it out to be): there's more to it than just going to parties and coding. I'd even go against D0dge and say that going to a party isn't necessary - it helps, but sometimes you just can't, and that's not your fault, you gotta make do with what you have. Hell, I know plenty of people who can't do either, and still they contribute; just look at Setsuko's interviews - she's doing what diskmags should've done ages ago, work like that is really in short supply, and all it took is interest and initiative. Show any and there'll be results - as you said, people who show interest usually get a warm welcome here.

That leads me into whole "this is why the scene is dying" thing: Maybe, but I'll still pick quality over quantity any day. I'd much rather have one enthusiastic and dedicated person working on something than 10 people who are just marginally interested and don't adhere to the core principles, because those 10 will eventually splinter or get swayed or just misrepresent the whole thing and we end up having another Dreamhack on our hands. But that one person who got it might end up doing something like Kioku did in Japan or Danguafer did in Brazil and become a strong enough core to make something really cool happen.

The demoscene is community, but it's a community with a purpose, and the amount of stray you get from that purpose is the amount you help to push the purpose forward. Or to put it in technical terms, for every action, there's an equal reaction. Just maybe not immediately.

You might have noticed that there are, for example, graphics and music in demos. Someone needs to do that too.

But yeah, if you're dead against actually creating something yourself, then going to parties and meeting people is a good way to get "accepted". If you're only able to post random crap on Pouet, you're pretty much in the wrong place.

And what Gargaj said :)

Granted. I presumed (probably being right on the money) that the OP has nothing to offer ATM regarding potential remote entries like (pixel-)graphics, music, let alone executable productions, hence the party-going suggestion. That was the way at least for me to become active in the scene, even if that meant saving money for a whole year to afford travelling and entrance fees to attend Mekka & Symposium.

So garg, where were you when I asked for people who were interested? Is my bo that bad?

What kind of acceptance are you looking for?

Posting anything that is not directly related to demos, even general programming stuff, is not considered to be on-topic and will therefore not receive the full attention of the community.

@Gargaj: I wish I could LIKE your post :)

I don't believe going to parties makes you active, or if it does it's at most a bare minimum - but that's a different discussion.

I was right here and I didn't post because I wasn't interested - you can't blame me for that, neither can you blame anyone else for not posting after not being interested. As for what factors in toit, yeah, I do believe if a prominent member like Ryg or Gloom or Smash posts something then people are more inclined to listen, because if you consistently deliver interesting things then that's what people get accustomed to. Conversely if you don't, people will less likely to pay full attention. I would normally say it's a cross you have to bear, but it's a self-inflicted one.

So if a newcomer or someone who isn't as involved in the scene posts something their post has less value than a post from a stalwart of the scene? I've got to be honest - I think you're on shaky ground with that statement.

It might not be of less value, but it's more likely people will pay attention if they know who's talking.

I wasn't talking about the intrinsic post value, I was talking about how long are people willing to listen.

Ok. Hello britelite, my name's Rob. If you google my username you'll pretty much get all the info about me that you might want. If you want to friend or follow me just let me know your handle so I know you aren't some rich Nigerian Prince promising me untold riches. ;]
Pleased to meet you btw.

As I said earlier in the piece - being elitist dickheads doesn't really work in the long run.
Maybe treating another human being like a human being might open up a dialogue that leads somewhere positive rather than belittling a stranger on thew internet.

Just a thought.

ringo: well, he has a fair point. You've posted pictures of women, stuff about linux, and now this coding game. But are you somebody who's a part of the demoscene, or a guy that posts about other vaguely somehow related stuff on a demoscene site?

Remember that there are a lot of people on pouet who visit parties, know lots of other sceners well, and put their spare time into making the demos the scene is based around. It does get pretty depressing visiting here and seeing random thread #4519 instead of something demo related. And you're always on those threads instead of the demo related ones :D

I'm not saying there's no room for some fun and unrelated stuff, just that if you expect any respect from sceners you need to be one (or at least be productive doing something vaguely related).

Instead of wasting more time on this game thing, why not invest a bit of energy into this here scene of ours? If it's not practical to get to a party, talk to people on IRC a bit and get involved in some small project, even if it's just running a website for a group of contributing a small bit of code/music/gfx/whatever for some small prod.

If you're not massively talented in the main demo areas, ok, I don't think anyone will have a problem with that, but you can still contribute and i'm sure there's something you're good at that would be helpful somewhere.

Take all that as constructive feedback not an attack btw :)

first i have to say im kind of surprised that this thread didnt turn into a pony-burnig flamefest in the matter of 5 posts, so something seems to have changed here. congratulations to everyone involved (or, in that matter, for not getting involved).



i have to admit i didnt even click on the thread until now because i really didnt care what "king of the hill" was, heck it sounded to me like an ass-old ut mod or something.
now i read a little bit about it (and even clicked the link you provided) im still not interested enough to investigate further, although I am and always have been an IRC whore. btw: do you know IdleRPG?, its fun and you dont need to invest any time into it, in fact its contraproductive if you do :p.

having that said it doesnt help your case to defame and generalize a whole community while the community itself wonders what you want from it in the first place.
i can understand (and share) some of your feelings towards elitism and double standards and some of your points are valid but in the same turn so are some (if not all) of the points gargaj and the others have raised. to round it up, just dont go on a holy crusade against pouet on pouet, its a quest doomed to fail and just steers up emotions and burns bridges you might want to walk on in the future.
accept that there are certain social mechanics at work here, some of them are closely bound to the history of the demoscene and this site and others are general things having to do with the so called 'online-culture' in this 'internet' everybody seems to be talking about these days.

i dont think you are a bad guy or an idiot.. certainly you are stubborn (otherwise you would have left a long time ago) but i for myself consider you as much a part of the pouet community (and pouet != scene) as every other old-time user on here. we both know not everybody shares that view but thats how it is.

You two both win the thread.
And yes I get what both of you are saying.
Anyone interested in some shitty ~120bpm Hydrogen loops?

Let's skip the bit about how the sexually objectifying threads / images contradict the cry for human treatment.

Your account dates back to 2009, your first thread to 2010.
During this time, as far as I recall, the whole range of emotions were expressed, and it didn't change course.
During this time the people who were critical have simultaneously released a considerable amount of good demos, organized events, etc etc. and did their part to push the community forward. You didn't.

So now tell me who's treating who what.

To be a bit more concise - my isolation is both geographical and social. I live in one of the most isolated state capital cities on earth. I'm also a geek. I have a moderately rich social life but... not really with "like minded individuals" if you get my meaning. I also have responsibilities beyond myself. Even if i could afford the travel that means a leave pass from the missus and missing my daughter for that duration - I'll live but hey, it ain't fun.
I've dabbled in music but never really thought about releasing or sharing it. Maybe I should.
I was just trying to see if I could find someone interested in doing something with me that I enjoyed when I was young. Actually really disappointed to find out Garg was vaguely into but only spoke up at the 'last minute' - something we could have shared rather having arguments over.
I've taken it as such psonice. Thanks.

@wysiwtf - where the fuck is Princess knoeki when you need him? ;P
There really are only a few people on this site who regularly behave like wankers - either towards me or sometimes newbies. They know who they are.
I hear what you've said - I guess I have to put up or shut up. Anyway thanks for your constructive input.
Cheers, guys.

I'm guess we're not going to sharing a few beers soon then. Pity.