Dividing models by procesors
category: general [glöplog]
Factor6> Pentevo / ATM vs firm Spectrum should be two different categories. Like Atari ST vs TT vs Falcon for example.
Alone_Coder> Atari TT and Falcon are not the case because the former adds FPU and the latter adds DSP. Firm Spectrum and all clones share the same processor, one and only. There is only one Windows category on pouët, for example.
dex46...> Alone_Coder, but how about MSX?
MSX1 has TMS9918 video display processor.
MSX2 has V9938.
MSX2+ has V9958.
MSX TurboR adds 16-bit CPU.
So, the division for MSX is quite clear.
ZX Spectrum doesn't have any video display processor, it uses simple logic. ATM Turbo 2 is no exception. Z80 is always Z80 too, only its clock varies.
Alone_Coder> Atari TT and Falcon are not the case because the former adds FPU and the latter adds DSP. Firm Spectrum and all clones share the same processor, one and only. There is only one Windows category on pouët, for example.
dex46...> Alone_Coder, but how about MSX?
MSX1 has TMS9918 video display processor.
MSX2 has V9938.
MSX2+ has V9958.
MSX TurboR adds 16-bit CPU.
So, the division for MSX is quite clear.
ZX Spectrum doesn't have any video display processor, it uses simple logic. ATM Turbo 2 is no exception. Z80 is always Z80 too, only its clock varies.
if you apply strict logic you could add like 15 new categories, probably more.
the question is if it will make pouet better or more easy to navigate?
the question is if it will make pouet better or more easy to navigate?
The real solution would be subcategories (or maybe just to use tags).
It could be just sub categories that doesn't show on the main page. Like tags, but you could list a sub category to find your stuff. So the same familly have the same icon.
Demozoo.
Thomson TO7 - 1MHz 6809, 8 colors, 12K RAM
Thomson TO7/70 - 1MHz 6809, 16 colors, 16K RAM
Thomson TO9 - 1MHz 6809, 4096 colors, 256K RAM
Thosmon TO9+ - 1MHz 6809, 4096 colors, 256K RAM
... I think there is an obvious problem blindly splitting by CPU (and/or clock). These are obviously very different machines. And there are more example of that kind of stuff in our weird list of French computers, but the others don't have a demoscene yet. I'm working on it!
Thomson TO7/70 - 1MHz 6809, 16 colors, 16K RAM
Thomson TO9 - 1MHz 6809, 4096 colors, 256K RAM
Thosmon TO9+ - 1MHz 6809, 4096 colors, 256K RAM
... I think there is an obvious problem blindly splitting by CPU (and/or clock). These are obviously very different machines. And there are more example of that kind of stuff in our weird list of French computers, but the others don't have a demoscene yet. I'm working on it!
ATM!=ZX Spectrum
Go trolling in your IRC. ATM is a series of ZX Spectrum clones produced since 1991. ATM128 was also named Pentagon 128.
Pynop, go and lie at zx.pk.ru
zx.pk.ru has banned you forever, so you came here?
Scan of Pentagon 128 board with "ATM 1991" marked on it from SBLive.
Scan of Pentagon 128 board with "ATM 1991" marked on it from SBLive.
Everyone moron able to create page and fill one with BS.ATM isn't Spectrum.
I have to admire how seriously you take these things.
great thread, guys.
*golf clap*
*golf clap*
reed, arew you disagree with stupid subdivision?
Analone, this wasn't vandalism, only white hat hackish) Nobody suffered, including a site)
You such pathetic while you posting same at crapo-forum.
Nobody wants accept ATM, so you came here...
Analone, this wasn't vandalism, only white hat hackish) Nobody suffered, including a site)
You such pathetic while you posting same at crapo-forum.
Nobody wants accept ATM, so you came here...
Also, your "scan" of an "ATM 1991"-marked board, whatever it is, has misaligned IC holes from both sides. Good luck building a working computer from that.
The Spectrum fight aside, I think the platform question is quite interesting. First of all, I think it's a common coder's fallacy that everything can be categorized in a "correct" way, in a black-and-white "is-a" hierarchy. The word "be", as in the sentence "you are an idiot", seems to cause some of the confusion. In contrast I think talking about doing instead of being often gives a better picture. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then for some purposes we can say it "is" a duck. It's one level of duckness.
So. To answer what "is" a good platform, you have to have at least an implicit idea of what a good platform division does, or what someone must be able to do with the platform division. Describe the doings instead of the beings.
So. To answer what "is" a good platform, you have to have at least an implicit idea of what a good platform division does, or what someone must be able to do with the platform division. Describe the doings instead of the beings.
...what "is" a good platform DIVISION...
I don't know if the lack of an edit feature "is" good or bad, but at least I am not able to write error-free text with it, and it is not able to educate me, either.
I don't know if the lack of an edit feature "is" good or bad, but at least I am not able to write error-free text with it, and it is not able to educate me, either.
@PulkoMandy, how do you think they could scan both layers at the same time?
Yes, that's one clear way to divide platforms: top and bottom layers.
Does ZX Evo+TS-Conf related to the models which must be subdivided?
there are some demos for one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGp10r6bwE
and moar you can imagine
there are some demos for one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgGp10r6bwE
and moar you can imagine
OK, I'm lost.
Alone_Coder: I thought we'd come to a general agreement (after a long, heated discussion) that ATM Turbo 2 should be split off into its own category. Are you saying that you've changed your mind now, and that they should be kept as a single 'ZX Spectrum' category because they all share the same processor?
Alone_Coder: I thought we'd come to a general agreement (after a long, heated discussion) that ATM Turbo 2 should be split off into its own category. Are you saying that you've changed your mind now, and that they should be kept as a single 'ZX Spectrum' category because they all share the same processor?
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that ATM Turbo 2 should be split off into its own category.
and last sentence marked by bold is a purpose:
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.tslabs.info%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D7462%23p7462
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Are you saying that you've changed your mind now, and that they should be kept as a single 'ZX Spectrum' category because they all share the same processor?
No. I'm saying that different ZX Spectrum models can't be called different platforms like Atari ST vs TT vs Falcon. As for "ts-conf" - this may be different platform because of 16-bit video display processor with sprites and blitter (inside FPGA made in 2000's).