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10th Annual Scene.org Awards - Public Choice voting

category: general [glöplog]
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gloom, are you seriously suggesting we used botnets and fakeusers to vote for our own prod in last years scene awards?
No. Here are my exact, and carefully chosen, words:
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For someone who apparently has no problems with people using botnets and fakeusers to vote for a prod

We don't know who it was, but someone sure did what I described above (shockingly, we have logs of votes and we can see the account-ages of SceneIDs used to vote -- marvels of modern technology! :), and while we don't know who were behind it, it was being done.

Now -- one could argue that naming an intro "We Have Accidently Borrowed Your Votedisk" and releasing it at the same weekend as the Scene.org Awards ceremony was incidental, and for all we know it was, but it did make us take a second look at the votes, yes. :)
added on the 2012-04-14 19:14:05 by gloom gloom
I am not sure I follow you, are you talking about that popularitypushing incident here on pouet that saga musix mentioned or are you talking about a new -fake user on scene awards incident- that you decide to tell us about first now? and then you say you are not accusing us?

added on the 2012-04-14 19:20:47 by dubmood dubmood
As for the rulechange: it came about because it was clear that while the intention of the "Public Choice"-category is, and has always been, for the demoscene audience to list their favourite prods, we are indeed faced with the "problem" of social media and the simple fact that the Scene.org Awards are no longer a small thing where just sceners participate. This in and of itself is not really a problem (in fact, one could argue otherwise), but it was clearly not set up to mean that the person or team with the most friends _on the internet_, should win.

After the issues of last years public voting, the awards crew had a long discussion about what to do and how to counteract possible issues. In the end, it was agreed not to change anything (weighting of votes, filtering or any automated mechanism, apart from the removal of votes from fakeusers) but instead make it clear in the voting guidelines what is considered to be acceptable voting behavior. Clearly someone felt this hit them harder than others, and well -- that's probably their problem.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:22:21 by gloom gloom
Dubmood: I'm talking about Scene.org Awards voting, last year, in which botnets and fakeusers were used to try to manipulate the votes. As I just posted, this is the reason why the clarification in the voting guidelines were published this year.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:24:02 by gloom gloom
I must admit I have never followed the scene awards or this "nordic conspiricy" discussion before, I have had alot of other stuff on my mind, but who exactly are the scene awards crew and the jury? is there a webpage where I can read up on this?
added on the 2012-04-14 19:25:34 by dubmood dubmood
gloom: so why didn't anyone tell us about this untill now? strange choice of timing.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:26:11 by dubmood dubmood
(yes, I'm taken for granted that you are pointing fingers as us, since thats the direction of this discussion)
added on the 2012-04-14 19:26:38 by dubmood dubmood
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gloom: so why didn't anyone tell us about this untill now? strange choice of timing.
The voting guidelines were published when the Public Choice-category voting was opened. I hardly think that qualifies as "strange".

[quote](yes, I'm taken for granted that you are pointing fingers as us, since thats the direction of this discussion)[/quore]Clearly. I can't really specify it any more than I already have in the posts above. There you have the background for the voting guidelines and why they were put in place. If you have issue with someone "pointing fingers at you", I suggest you take that up with whoever actually did that in this thread.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:30:25 by gloom gloom
Blargh - quote-fail. :(
added on the 2012-04-14 19:30:51 by gloom gloom
Dubmood: as for "what is the Scene.org awards", you can read about it on the Scene.org Awards website: http://awards.scene.org/info.php (note: the list of active jury members is typically published AFTER each award ceremony - I believe the list currently on the site is last years list).
added on the 2012-04-14 19:33:01 by gloom gloom
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gloom: so why didn't anyone tell us about this untill now? strange choice of timing.

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The voting guidelines were published when the Public Choice-category voting was opened. I hardly think that qualifies as "strange".

I think Dubmood wanted to know why you never told them about botnet and fakeusers. Not about the guidelines :)
added on the 2012-04-14 19:40:14 by Tomoya Tomoya
Hello everyone,

Already replied to Rez in private, but here's a reply also for the public:

I admit Razor has some merit in what turned out to be the rules for the public choice voting for this year. To verify the results we checked the votes for the first round and all productions were nominated legitimately. We can't and even don't want to change how the public votes for, but naturally we reserve in turn the right to choose the voting rules for the Scene.org Awards as we wish. If you're unsure about the voting rules, please read them carefully on the Scene.org Awards website. The same rules apply also for the ongoing voting round.

As there's no reason for excluding any entries from the Public Choice category the nominees stay as they are.

Thank you for your understanding.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:40:37 by melw melw
DRAMA CLOSED.
added on the 2012-04-14 19:42:12 by maytz maytz
What tomoya said
added on the 2012-04-14 19:53:04 by dubmood dubmood
Dubmood: perhaps it was felt as it didn't need saying since the matter was closed over a year ago, but when someone throws an idiotic hissyfit, a little history lesson might be in order. Anyway: what Melwyn said.
added on the 2012-04-14 22:12:38 by gloom gloom
rez: Yes!

After this nice post:

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dubmood: public choice award :)

namevoting worked fine ;)


I really like your latest productions - but seeing you guys spending time on obvious "yeah, we faked the victory" doesn't count as awesomeness in my book.

added on the 2012-04-14 22:12:46 by Puryx Puryx
fuck that serious shit
added on the 2012-04-14 22:46:00 by tripper tripper
@puryx: it was obviously a joke, a long-running-joke since competition at demoparty exists :)

Well, to be clear about the "We have successfully borrowed your votedisk" name I choosed, it's NOT about stolen votes for TODAY's prods. I found the idea from things I have seen FOR REAL at The Party 5. I will not give any name here, but I have seen "people" borrowing votedisks to gamers (something like 50 or more) and used all of them to vote for their own release.

So, there no relation between our prod title and what has happened (or didn't happened in this case).

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As for the rulechange: it came about because it was clear that while the intention of the "Public Choice"-category is, and has always been, for the demoscene audience to list their favourite prods, we are indeed faced with the "problem" of social media and the simple fact that the Scene.org Awards are no longer a small thing where just sceners participate.


It's absolutely funny to read that from the self-proclamed king of demoscene outreach, it's kinda "get out of my world, n00bs" :(
added on the 2012-04-14 22:58:56 by rez rez
rez: sometimes jokes are not funny for everyone ;) - but to make it clear from my point of view: keep doing the intros - they rock! That's time way better spent than the SCENEDRAMA OMG!!!111
added on the 2012-04-14 23:08:39 by Puryx Puryx
puryx++;
added on the 2012-04-14 23:10:41 by ferris ferris
Go make a demo about it. Oh wait... you already made an intro. Time to move on then.
added on the 2012-04-14 23:24:38 by p01 p01
rez as the scene.org refuses to remove your prods from the compo you should make a botnet to vote for you now so that they would disqualify you! ;)
added on the 2012-04-15 00:36:10 by nosfe nosfe
For fuck sake, and really ffs. There is a very big difference between namevoting and cheating. If you dont know that difference, maybe you count among those who havnt had there sceneID for enough time to merit the right to vote, you dont seem to be an elite underground demoscener. oh wait, you are in the jury....

I remember my first namevote, on icing 98, I voted for 3SS without seeing the prod. amigah!
added on the 2012-04-15 00:40:07 by dubmood dubmood
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