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Someone need a music for his demo to release to the Main ?

category: music [glöplog]
psonice: It's as far from the truth as it could be, simply and factually: It's a loop based editor, which means you need loops (=example data) to get anything out of it. No different than compiling the DX SDK samples or using some bundled clipart. You also need a basic sensibility to be able to put them together (key-matching, etc.), which is the same as stitching sample codes together or using correct blending modes.

It is not one bit easier.
added on the 2010-09-16 15:37:10 by Gargaj Gargaj
added on the 2010-09-16 15:46:36 by __ __
knl: yes. yes we know. it's something we do.
added on the 2010-09-16 15:48:59 by jeenio jeenio
I see a lot of people violently agreeing with each other in this thread…

Yes, writing good music is hard and takes a long time. That's exactly what psonice is saying. However, his point (I think) is that it's easy for someone to pick up some music software and make something mediocre, and call themselves a musician - more so than code or graphics - which means that it can be hard for good musicians to get noticed among the crowd.
added on the 2010-09-16 15:50:15 by gasman gasman
gibs: actually, I fully understand your point, and totally agree. That's exactly why I'm not a musician. I don't think it's just 'inspiration' though.. in the past, I've learned the tools well enough, and had inspiration, but the end result lacks something.

I'm talking about people *starting* to learn music/code/gfx/whatever. Nothing more. When *starting*, I think music is easier (unless you have a talent for gfx, in which case gfx is perhaps easier) and the first results are better. That's my experience, having tried all 3. It's fairly painless to start, the results are instant and rewarding, and it's fun. That's why I think there are many musicians.

I'm not *in any way* comparing the first tune of a new musician to a decent track produced by somebody good with lots of experience, it's obviously going to sound like shit in comparison. What I am comparing with is the first 'hello world' exe, or first attempt at painting on a computer. I think between those, the music will win.
added on the 2010-09-16 15:52:14 by psonice psonice
And yeah, more or less what gasman said. I don't know about it being harder for good musicians to get noticed though, is it?
added on the 2010-09-16 15:58:21 by psonice psonice
ok, this has to be decided, and the sooner the better:

"what's easier, 15 seconds of a rotating cube or 15 seconds of drum'n'bass?"

everyone should chip in. musicians, coders, graphicians, EVERYONE!
added on the 2010-09-16 15:58:47 by jeenio jeenio
Are you use amen break?
added on the 2010-09-16 16:02:52 by xernobyl xernobyl
jeenio: when I chip in, it ends into some kind of ambient but then people come and ask some cheesy arpegios and then I cry :(
@xernobyl: you don't touch the amen break. DONT

What I mean is that you're all arguing, even non musicians and then, some statement are made up from nowhere and it's ugly, you all make me want to cry :(

added on the 2010-09-16 16:10:33 by __ __
However, his point (I think) is that it's easy for someone to pick up some music software and make something mediocre, and call themselves a musician - more so than code or graphics

That's exactly what I disagree with, especially in the age of, say, ZBrush or Processing. Also, do note what I said about samples and clipart.
added on the 2010-09-16 16:14:34 by Gargaj Gargaj
knl: somebody says something totally harmless, somebody else thinks it means something different and takes offence, and a war starts. It's human nature. But this is internet, nobody gets killed, so just enjoy the fighting :D

Jeenio: I reckon the gfx guy would win. It's easy to draw a cube, and you only need a few frames for an animation ;)
added on the 2010-09-16 16:17:57 by psonice psonice

ps: no, it's wrong.
added on the 2010-09-16 16:21:34 by __ __
gasman has lead
added on the 2010-09-16 16:23:18 by alk alk
knl : their love and their money...

I have seen some paypal picture to have the full tune ;)
added on the 2010-09-16 16:30:54 by gibs gibs
That was an awkward sentence, I really hope you didn't mean I forced people to paypal.
added on the 2010-09-16 16:42:33 by __ __
added on the 2010-09-16 16:43:10 by keops keops
added on the 2010-09-16 16:44:59 by __ __
kaneel: it's wrong, but we're human and not perfect. Also language is a long way from perfect. Only way to fix it is if we all speak through lawyers, and fuck that. Best to accept it in all it's wonder + horror :)

added on the 2010-09-16 16:45:26 by psonice psonice
I actually could talk about these topics but god, better do it in real life than on pouet. Anything I would say would end up sounding emo and "oh I lurv philosophy, I read vampire stories" (if you know what I mean)
added on the 2010-09-16 16:50:55 by __ __
Yeah, absolutely. But pouet is good for a boring day at work ;D
added on the 2010-09-16 17:13:49 by psonice psonice
yeaaaaaaaaaaah, that's sad, it's the same for me :(
added on the 2010-09-16 17:23:28 by __ __
no, it's only sad if you're on pouet because you're bored and have no work.
added on the 2010-09-16 18:10:31 by psonice psonice
knl, you look so sad, go make a demo about it.
added on the 2010-09-16 19:18:17 by jeenio jeenio
keops, I see that you have the Wild Copper Megalo Demo in your fave, so you have a good taste ;)
added on the 2010-09-16 23:30:58 by gibs gibs
gasman/psonice: Everyone thinks they understand music but few people pretend to understand code. I can rip someones code and present it as my own because code is hidden behind the veil. Sure I'll feel bad, but only the dude with the hex editor will know. If I steal a sample or even just a melody from Tempest's chiptunes, the world will now !

With music and gfx everything is laid bare. Just look at the comments on any recent ASD prod for evidence of this. People chat shit about the music a lot but say next to nothing about the quality of the code running the whole show.

Perhaps you're right that the barrier to entry for music is lower, any kid can bash on pots and pans, but it's also very easy for most people to recognise that this sounds like shit.
added on the 2010-09-17 00:52:26 by Claw Claw


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