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what wise words! i'm baffled.
added on the 2009-07-31 11:59:19 by skrebbel skrebbel

Yeah, BSD-style licenses are really the best option if your aim is to get the most widespread adoption possible like the case may be if you're promoting a standard of some sort for example. The FSF has never said that BSD isn't free though, derived works just aren't guaranteed to retain any definition of being free (as in freedom) which in their view is a negative point.

The possibility to modify can be and has been useful for end users as well, though. I wouldn't say that a license carrying less restrictions would be protecting the rights of all developers either (and you saying that is strangely contradicting of who you said FSF represents). GPL protects developers from each other is one way of looking at it. :P
added on the 2009-07-31 12:33:08 by slux slux
slux: I don't see what contradiction you are referring to. Using permissive licenses allows more people to use YOUR works. Everyone can download and use my source code if it's licensed permissively, because I grant them the right to. But yeah, the freedom stops there. I can't control derivate works, BECAUSE I gave away that freedom.

My point wasn't that permissive licenses are more free or protective or whatever, it was that they are more practical. They allow developers to decide for themselves. I'm not going to force my will onto others.
added on the 2009-07-31 12:55:18 by kusma kusma
That politics should not play a part in software development/licensing is a political opinion. And it's a contradiction too.
added on the 2009-07-31 14:13:09 by _-_-__ _-_-__
hm. saying that it is okay to give people the freedom to create software that divides the users is a bit irresponsible. It is like saying that it is okay to give people the freedom to steal or kill. And each person does make that decision on his own, but the society has laws that help people to make the correct decision.
knos: Yes, my post here is very much a political opinion. I feel that people who release software as a part of a political agenda are damaging the open source community. But it IS their right, and it IS my right to discuss it. Note the difference between my statement and software release, and you'll understand why it's not a contradiction.
added on the 2009-07-31 15:16:38 by kusma kusma
either you want to keep your stuff free of charge or free as in freedom, and use whatever gpl library you use, or you sell your software and buy your parts.

it's when greed comes into play that it doesn't compute, and that is why gpl (or other licences) need to be so strict.

I'm using audiere. it's not advanced but it plays oggs.
added on the 2009-07-31 15:29:36 by thec thec
thec: <snip>"or free as in FSF's definition of freedom"<snip>
There, I fixed that for you.
added on the 2009-07-31 15:39:53 by kusma kusma
I agree with Kusma's last post.
added on the 2009-07-31 15:56:14 by decipher decipher
thec: you say you are using audiere. why is it not so advanced? what do you mean?

I am trying to make it work now, making a test app with a button which you click and a sound is played. But so far no luck. In fact, the app freezes and then I cannot run it again since some process there is not stopped.
kusma: indeed. FSF has a very simple definition of how they understand freedom in software. but not all free software licenses are copyleft- that is, not all of them require for the derived product to be free software. But a non-free library would contradict legally even with a non-copyleft license.
Louigi Verona: I'm not arguing against free software, I'm arguing for permissive open source licenses (Zlib-license, BSD, MIT etc). I thought that was clear from my first post, but perhaps it wasn't.
added on the 2009-07-31 16:42:20 by kusma kusma
yep, man, I understand. I just sort of returned the argument to the initial problem - the problem of using non-free libraries.
there is no such thing as free beer
added on the 2009-07-31 18:03:53 by Jcl Jcl
verona: you should try exiting other sound making apps before running, because audiere totally hogs the dsp.. yeah it sucks but that's life.
added on the 2009-07-31 18:39:38 by thec thec
i guess every thread in pouet with keywords "free" and "license" will sooner or later turn into a discussion of beer and steve ballmer.

other than that, alsa rules (it's not great but it rules somehow).
rarefluid: i'm not optimus. optimus is me.
Let's sum it up for the slow readers; if you're not making enough $$$ with GPL-software, don't fucking use it in your code.
added on the 2009-07-31 20:09:59 by El Topo El Topo
use javascript
added on the 2009-07-31 21:05:23 by kusma kusma
pay up biatch
added on the 2009-07-31 23:25:59 by El Topo El Topo

oh yea, communication. mankind's biggest problem.

(..sry I'm as drunk as f*ck as you f*ckers at zvokz currently are, I hope)
added on the 2009-08-01 06:09:12 by xyz xyz
I do not need to sell it, but uf I want to release it under GPL (and I do) I need to allow others to sell it if they want to. BASS license does not allow that.

oh yes sure that's gonna happen and then they're gonna track you down and smoke you out of your hole..

all the information in this thread is nice and all, boys discussing their alternatives and their licensing knowledge but the point is that there was no real problem to begin with..
added on the 2009-08-01 08:36:14 by superplek superplek

The issue is NOT that Louigi is worried about the theoretical person who will make a commercial product out of his work.

The issue is that Louigi wants his program to be part of the free software ecosystem, because there are practical, personal or political reasons for doing so (including: the possibility of your program being bundled with Ubuntu; the ability to link to other GPL libraries; the warm fuzzy glow of being part of a social movement that will make the world a better place and overthrow Microsoft. Whatever...), and allowing commercial use is a precondition for that.
added on the 2009-08-01 12:13:44 by gasman gasman
If not already said... I think uFMod has a GPL license.
added on the 2009-08-01 17:51:35 by EvilKing EvilKing
AFAIK, uFMOD is under a BSD-like license.
added on the 2009-08-01 18:05:25 by ham ham


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