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Postmodern art question

category: general [glöplog]
I have selected 3 images for you as a little game. One is a computer randomly generated image, other is a Franz Kline paint and the third is one of my paints. Could you say which is every image?

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added on the 2007-12-17 07:34:52 by texel texel
too small
added on the 2007-12-17 07:43:09 by _-_-__ _-_-__
The top one is definitely an artist painting, so it's the Franz Kline. Regarding the others, my guess is that the middle one is yours and the bottom one is generated by a computer.
added on the 2007-12-17 08:02:03 by Preacher Preacher
same guess
My guess is that the emperor has no clothes
added on the 2007-12-17 09:47:29 by yesso yesso
Oh, watch those minimalist art lovers sweat now! :D

Personally I don't have any idea. One doesn't look any better or worse, or more meaningful or less meaningful than the other.
added on the 2007-12-17 09:55:29 by Flunce Flunce
computer generated - franz kline - your stuff
added on the 2007-12-17 10:12:12 by zomb zomb
No sweating here at least, the art is pretty easy to recognize here. It has shape, form and composition.

The fact that I can't be 100% sure what's texel's art and what's generated only speaks for the quality of both, which could be categorized as "random shit". I do think I like the bottom one a bit more since it's not a totally random doodle, but has patterns that probably come from an algorithm (diffusion?).
added on the 2007-12-17 10:16:42 by Preacher Preacher
If you can spot a deeper meaning in ANY of the above images then it is ART for you (and only for you).
Art doesn't have recipes..
When an artist does something it's because he has the need to express himself.. for the others it could be just random shit as preacher said.
Only the ones who had a similar need will understand it and categorise it as art..
as for the images..
i whould hang the third one on my wall even if it's painted by a monkey.. :D
added on the 2007-12-17 10:29:50 by medron medron
However, there are things like proportion, composition, projection, colour and technique that are "universally" pleasing. You know, the stuff you learn in art schools (where, surprisingly for some, a lot of these people who make "doodles" or "stuff anyone could make" have spent years). They are not of course absolutely necessary for a painter, just like music theory is not absolutely necessary for a musician, but they really help in getting the images in your head on the canvas/paper/sheet/whatever, and I don't think anyone can make good art without some sort of inner aptitude for such things.
added on the 2007-12-17 10:39:42 by Preacher Preacher
Who the hell is Franz Kline?
added on the 2007-12-17 10:39:59 by doomdoom doomdoom
(why do I even bother discussing this?)
added on the 2007-12-17 10:40:26 by Preacher Preacher
Hm, I'm thinking about the label "postmodern". It was a while since I read about this stuff but isn't this scribbeled stuff more like modernist abstract expressionism from say the 40's/50's and on? When I hear postmodern I think of people acting like dogs in public places and wrapping up goverment buildings in paper and such. Something that has left the canvas...
added on the 2007-12-17 10:42:10 by El Topo El Topo
A fancy art school background is no excuse for making crappy pictures.
added on the 2007-12-17 10:45:42 by doomdoom doomdoom
now for something difficult: Which is by Mondrian, which is computer generated?
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added on the 2007-12-17 11:23:46 by jxn jxn
texel: you've asked this before or it's just a deja vu for me.
anes: deja vu
jxn: Left - Mondrian, right - random
added on the 2007-12-17 11:42:25 by texel texel
Both are computer generated. However, Mondrian did paint a work that resembles the work on the right, though it was more connected, the shapes had more structure and you could make out a tree shape in it. It's called "Composition 10 in black and white" and you can see it and the less abstract (for the abstraction challenged) paintings leading up to it here:


I think this is actually a prime example on how something very abstract that's not imitating reality can actually portray something that even Buttler understands.
added on the 2007-12-17 11:56:15 by Preacher Preacher
(btw, the whole thing is getting rather pointless)
added on the 2007-12-17 11:57:47 by Preacher Preacher
Even if it's random paint thrown by a monkey, people will buy it.
added on the 2007-12-17 12:00:30 by psonice psonice
Composition with lines by Piet Mondrian (1917)

Preacher, preacher, preacher...
added on the 2007-12-17 12:16:05 by texel texel
I fail :D

That said, I don't like it. It's kind of dull and bland and lacks the geometric or mathematical appeal I find in some Mondrian paintings (like Composition 10).
added on the 2007-12-17 12:25:37 by Preacher Preacher
My question continues unsolved... :P
added on the 2007-12-17 12:27:02 by texel texel
Yes, a three-year-old chimp will paint more artsy pictures than a three-year-old human. Because the chimp is less talented. That's what postmodernism is about. Sucking as hard as you can.
added on the 2007-12-17 12:28:35 by doomdoom doomdoom
added on the 2007-12-17 12:48:15 by uns3en_ uns3en_


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