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well, since everythiung is a remix anyway ...
added on the 2012-10-28 17:57:41 by abductee abductee
Regarding the Conspiracy 64k intro plagiarism: there is now established contact between Conspiracy and Shockone/his label, and hopefully it'll all work out. According to them, they commissioned the video and are taking it up with the people who made it (and rightfully so). Still, in case the video disappears or someone really doubts it has been ripped off, I have taken these screenshots:

From "Chaos Theory":

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From "The Prophecy - Project Nemesis":

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added on the 2012-10-28 18:11:51 by gloom gloom
LOL! Must be the most blatant scene ripoff ever.
added on the 2012-10-28 19:45:58 by ham ham
Lol, i love how that music video looks totally like shit compared to an intro from 2006 ^^
added on the 2012-10-28 20:12:05 by okkie okkie
exactly what okkie said :)
added on the 2012-10-28 20:12:40 by keito keito
I'm so unimpressed by 2013 "Chaos Theory"
- music really sounds like recycling Pendulum's Hold Your Color's Prelude (yeah I know shockone was in the band)
- and music video is a blatant Conspiracy rip off, but looks like total crap

I can't understand why and how that track is currently topping the charts since it's so full of fail (I mean he can't pretend he didn't know about Pendulum right? ;) )
WTF!
added on the 2012-10-28 23:37:00 by merry merry
Update: the video artist who made the video has reached out and is now in contact with everyone involved. Hopefully they'll talk it out and come to some sort of agreement. I'd like to re-state that most likely neither Shockone nor his label Viper Records knew of any of this, so please don't lash out against any of them in social media etc, since it'll only create noise.
added on the 2012-10-29 00:07:47 by gloom gloom
I bet the artist that did the video has that sinking feeling plenty just lately :)

Wonder if it'd make sense to just replace parts of the video with the actual demo capture (especially where the demo clearly looks a lot better) and credit / pay conspiracy?
added on the 2012-10-29 00:40:47 by psonice psonice
gloom you started the social media thing

Regretting it?
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the video artist who made the video


Reading that again and again :)))
what Okkie said.

But it's good to know they can actually discuss it like big boys, rather than do a Timbaland and deny the whole thing. :)
added on the 2012-10-29 05:06:19 by BarZoule BarZoule
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gloom you started the social media thing

Regretting it?
No, why should I? The results were immediate, so it worked exactly as desired.
added on the 2012-10-29 10:18:01 by gloom gloom
So who is the video artist?

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added on the 2012-10-29 11:39:32 by dubmood dubmood
regarding the CT issue, the video is not there anymore
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwlV9sZ7JQE&t=53s
added on the 2012-10-29 16:44:26 by ulrick ulrick
lulz. that fake reflection was really awful, i could almost read those letters :D (4th image )
added on the 2012-10-29 17:23:32 by pista pista
well, i'll probably have all the fire on me, but wtf is everyone talking about? this one is even more funny than that 'scene bubble' controversy. content production industry is all about 'ripping' things that way - rebuilding stuff from references. it's clear from gloom's shots that composition and design ideas were the only borrowed things, with cameras and syncs placed more in context btw. not a single bit of original content was ripped. every frame is clearly rebuilt from scratch, with rather good editing.
i mean, i see the point of making such a/b shots and moking modern motion design that way - but what's the reason to contact a video artist? what agreement do you want to have? this is rediciolus. 90% of saatchi/leo/bbdo/any other global agency creative content should be considered ripping then.
added on the 2012-10-30 11:37:14 by ton ton
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it's clear from gloom's shots that composition and design ideas were the only borrowed things, with cameras and syncs placed more in context btw. not a single bit of original content was ripped.

Are you blind? Have you even compared the two videos? I'm sorry, but you are just completely wrong here.
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every frame is clearly rebuilt from scratch,

Exactly. He looked at "Chaos Theory" and decided to do almost the exact same thing. That's the rip -- the ideas -- not the actual 3D meshes.
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with rather good editing.

That's your opinion of course, but I do not agree -- not even a little. :)
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but what's the reason to contact a video artist?
I didn't contact him, Shockone and his label did, and then the artist contacted me. Clearly, they agree, since they opted to remove all references to the video online, and took it off of YouTube.

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what agreement do you want to have?
_I_ don't want to have any "agreement", just acknowledgement. Credit where credit is due. Taking someone else's work and just re-doing it almost verbatim without giving credit, producing almost no original content yourself, is wrong.

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this is rediciolus. 90% of saatchi/leo/bbdo/any other global agency creative content should be considered ripping then.

I'm sorry, but if you don't have the capacity to differentiate between a situation where ad agencies do similar generic concepts (like rotating shampoo bottles or something) from "Oh, I'll just take these 9 scenes from an existing artwork, replicate them, replicate the camera moves and animation, and then just pass it off without credit as my own work", there is something wrong with how you view the world.
added on the 2012-10-30 12:32:29 by gloom gloom
er. so i'm talking that the guy ripped the idea. you're talking that the guy ripped the idea too. but you've come to conclusion that i'm blind somehow?

if no one was pressing the poor guy who did the video, i couldn't care about this case less - actually, there are tons of shitty dubstep videos on yt with original sequences from demos, movies and cartooons, without any credit, and noone cares.

about your rotating shampoo bottles rant, i'm afraid you're just not ready to talk about that - just try to google how agencies rip contemporary art, then go back please. and contemporary art is just an obvious illustration. you can't really pitch ANYTHING without references, and then you've got to stick to them or else.
added on the 2012-10-30 13:13:38 by ton ton
i mean, agencies still don't consider that ripping - it's just how you have to work to make your client happy usually... and no one happy about that.
added on the 2012-10-30 13:19:51 by ton ton
but the client. shit i'm really used to skype's reediting feature..
added on the 2012-10-30 13:20:43 by ton ton
Whatever your stance is on ripping ideas/visual composition, you have to wonder how many of the people criticising Shockone's artist here are prepared to tolerate TBL doing basically the same thing (Ocean Machine, Suicide Barbie).
added on the 2012-10-30 13:26:57 by gasman gasman
gasman: I guess you could argue that a commercial commissioned work (with pre-agreed income) and a fairly obscure piece of art with no guarantee for a return don't have the same trade value.

But in any case, us three who made Chaos Theory don't particularly take a great issue of the situation (in fact I sorta regret that they took the video down - I would imagine noone is particularly happy about it) and we have no demands whatsoever - although an email from the label would be nice so we could talk about it like reasonable people.
added on the 2012-10-30 13:40:13 by Gargaj Gargaj
Gargaj, i still think you guys should get some money to pay lawyers and try to take action against shockone. You created something and this guy/these people mercilessly copied it. You have THE RIGHT to sue them and get yourselves royalties. Do not let it go.
added on the 2012-10-30 14:29:24 by IvanDSM IvanDSM
*shrug* Why not?
added on the 2012-10-30 14:36:38 by Gargaj Gargaj

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