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Open Letter to AMI / Tristar

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hm i was just wondering what makes VACUUM so important to the scene....running an IRC Channel? Having a company in the back that finances sceneservices?

uh what scenish you are.
not start bashing while i ventured saying anything against the great sysop of the scene:
El Scampo / Don Scampone

Its funny that YOU kick the butts of the ppl who brought you this years invitation.

Its your world scamp, we are all just living in it.
Thank you for that.

added on the 2008-07-17 10:43:32 by _docd _docd
i meant "now start bashing...."
- so go ahead
added on the 2008-07-17 10:45:40 by _docd _docd
In addition to what Sir wrote:

Scoopex members who attended Breakpoint 2008 were Photon, Noogman, Sir, Big Bear, T$, Stingray, Ne7, Teis and my humble person. None of us bugged the security. There was a misunderstanding on the parking lot only, as Sir put it already. No Scoopex business.

Unlike other groups (Rebels, TRSI) we did not appear in uniform and thus you will not spot any Scoopex shirts on any photo or videos from BP08.

Ergo, Scamp's reply is a piece of slanderous misinformation.
it was fun to read though!

and, docd,
didn't make you look very bright.
added on the 2008-07-17 10:57:51 by skrebbel skrebbel
i didnt want to use any "newskoolers" phrase...
but thanks skrebbel, i love you. :-)
added on the 2008-07-17 11:00:24 by _docd _docd
Also everyone is referring to 2008 - maybe some other troubles were experienced during other years? I'm not implying this since I don't know about it, but Breakpoint did exist more than this year :)
added on the 2008-07-17 11:01:03 by Puryx Puryx
puryx: yea, i personally had a trouble-free year 2003-2006 and 2008. :)
added on the 2008-07-17 11:05:51 by smash smash
kb and scamp, i think your memory might have been infested with hippie love, and pink. The scene was a place with a lot of headroom, a lot mroe than today quite obviously, and a lot of people was involved in various ways, from bringing beer to actually coding demos. Atleast half the scene back then was not overly active in other than watching demos and drinking beer at parties, and then releasing the odd picture or module.

YOU are the ones who now chose to define it as some arty farty computer students project forgetting that most of what it was all about was just having fun. Back then you could always find a position in a group for an interrested freind even if he didnt have the technical skill.

then ofcoursee there was the sceners who took it all mighty seriously. and i see youre still active and taking it mighty seriously.
added on the 2008-07-17 11:09:38 by NoahR NoahR
eeblis: Did kb and Scamp mention anywhere in their posts that is not about having fun? - not that I'm defending all their viewpoints but after all I guess the argumenting that they're not liking the persons that are spoiling the fun for the majority of party visitors.

They are arranging a party in the middle of a city with people living around - actually managing to arrange a party with loud people, loud music, bon-fire and a "trashed" environment - without the citizens of Bingen complaining too much.

You talking and talking, yet you have not yourself been at a real party for years I guess? Come to Breakpoint next year, and please AFTER that try to convince me that Breakpoint (or the scene in general) is:

YOU are the ones who now chose to define it as some arty farty computer students project forgetting that most of what it was all about was just having fun. Back then you could always find a position in a group for an interrested freind even if he didnt have the technical skill.

eeblis: you're stepping outside into the real world of the scene - a place you havn't been for some time!
added on the 2008-07-17 11:15:32 by Puryx Puryx
what were debating here seems to be the definition of what the scene is, and like i said about assholes....everyone has got one, based on the experiences that person had. The scene is what those involved makes of it, so you want it to be a pussy social club that makes art on computers, thats cool. But it is far apart from the scene that i was, and am a part of. However, there seems to be a group of people that by no means is "the scene", but who claims to be "the scene" and constantly tries to define their little social thing as "the scene". IT ISNT!
added on the 2008-07-17 11:19:56 by NoahR NoahR
haha i just tried to picture scamp as an "arty farty computer students project" type of guy; this calls for a photoshop contest!
added on the 2008-07-17 11:20:15 by skrebbel skrebbel
I mean its good we have guys like kb and scamp to tell us what we should think of the scene and how we should act around "the scene", its good to know that there are people making these calls on a daily basis.
added on the 2008-07-17 11:21:44 by NoahR NoahR
eeblis: and you're of course not telling us how the scene is/should be, right? :) it's good that we have you - someone that hasn't been there in real life for many years - to tell us that they're wrong.
added on the 2008-07-17 11:23:10 by Puryx Puryx
haha i just tried to picture scamp as an "arty farty computer students project" type of guy; this calls for a photoshop contest!

Damn slengpung for being down, but there are some awesome older pictures of scamp with black hair on there. It could nearly even work :)

Oh, and fistfights with Aenima? I heard they were quite hardcore when it came to drinking, but serious fistfights?
added on the 2008-07-17 11:34:21 by okkie okkie
we had to put handcuffs on one of them...
added on the 2008-07-17 11:59:14 by _docd _docd
this year it was more likely to be mud-wrestling.
added on the 2008-07-17 11:59:20 by Axel Axel
DocD (and iblis, kinda): You're missing the point. We're not attacking anyone personally (because if we wanted to, I think Scamp as well as me would use actual names), and if you feel pissed because I just proposed you shut down the group you've been a long time member of, yes, I understand that.

And it's perfectly ok to have members in the groups whose only contribution is to bring beer to parties and lighten up the mood. All groups I've ever been in are doing it that way, and guess what - it's fun. Still even all those "fun members" I've ever known from my groups _did_ bring themselves in when they were able to.

As Puryx said, we haven't mentioned one word about not allowing simple, meaningless fun or drunkenness or just being social for a while. And yes, this is a creative community (or meritocracy as someone called it), so creating stuff is important. And IMHO the most important part because otherwise we all could simply get drunk at LAN parties without noticing any difference. Fuck this subculture, we got booze!

Anyway, to get to the point that you have so blatantly missed: I'm not talking about how I would like the whole of the scene to behave. I'm pointing out a very special problem in a few select groups. And as pointless as it is, I'll do it again now. And please, read it and tell me that this is what is generally considered "fun":

* Fighting about who "owns" the group and who "leads" it and who may kick people and let them join. I mean, yeah, it's fun. As one of three founding members of FR I kinda envy the ripples of awesome that run through the space time continuum when any ghettoscener mentions the name "Irata", but then after one second of thinking I realize that this is nothing but quasi-religious bullshit (seriously, does abovementioned guy even care?). A demogroup is either a group of friends (read that again: FRIENDS. Like, people that actually know each other) or it becomes a mere label. And catfighting over labels is best done by lawyers instead of drunk nerdy fat car mechanics that once owned a C64. Really.

* "Reviving" a group by acquiring lots of newbies which are then spoiled by being in "TEH 1337CREW", think how great they must be to be able to continue such a legacy and then releasing lots of... crap. Yep, no miracle if you think you're at the top before you have even started. Funniest thing though: If your freshly bought demo team then visit ye olde clue shoppe, leave 1337Crew and found their own group because they can't stand all the shit they've got to endure from the leaders (and pouet ;) then suddenly there's a war going on, they get portrayed as traitors and have to survive another shitstorm before the old 1337Crew farts turn to more important things - like throwing shit at each other again.

(Sounds like fun an friendship indeed. Fuck, and I'm so stuck in my artsy-fartsy computer student art project faggotry that I don't even realize.)

Srsly: All those groups I've mentioned in my last post have a long and in most cases scenewise important and awe inspiring history. And all you can do now is always pointing out how ancient and uber you are while pissing on that history, trampling it to death and running your whole legacy into the fucking ground with your kindergarden fights. Which btw look really silly on a bunch of >35 year olds.

Oh, and btw, I think it's ok that Scamp always misses everything that doesn't involve dealing with eg. the paid security, citiy officials or stuff like this. Just shows that organizing BP only works as well because everyone else is just doing their jobs "professionally" and first of all transparently without referring to any hierarchy latter. So if Scamp doesn't recognize your work it's kind of a compliment because he didn't have to think about it. Yes, kinda sad but that's one of the things you can get used to :)
added on the 2008-07-17 12:07:25 by kb_ kb_
TRSi Release list shows that the group is far away from beeing dead.

It cant be fair to declare things like " if you join one of the following groups you are lame".
Its not fun anymore.

And if you in Farbrausch would have any hardcore differences with a groupmate,
differences who guide you to democraticly decide to leave Farbrausch and telling that member please not to act in Farbrauschs name (infact Farbrausch is more a label than any other groupname) - then i think that especially you kb would freak totally out if
formermember^farbrausch still runs around spreading shit. That was all.

This thread, when opened, was never meant too serious.
It is exorbital offtopic anyway. Heres no fight going on...

You just started a new "this and that group are crap" discussion.
And you totally ignore that the mentioned groups are still active and release...

And i point on what? When did i mention any history, when did i trample?
Maybe you bend your spacetime too much to get back to reality.

And further....i dont wanted any credit - i just want that the stories about breakpoint disturbances are told the right way. without any fullcolored phantasy drama just to have sensational stories to spread. infact there was no sensation.

scoopex did nothing wrong, neither did all other "ghettogroups"

added on the 2008-07-17 12:37:22 by _docd _docd
and you're of course not telling us how the scene is/should be, right? :) it's good that we have you - someone that hasn't been there in real life for many years - to tell us that they're wrong.

now your soft delicate skin is talking again apprently because thats if anything NOT what im doing. Im saying the scene is wider, broader, and bigger than your pet understanding of it, or mine for that matter...But the group of sceners youre part of cant seem to fathom that fact, and insists that your view is all encompassing be all end all, and thats what i protest against.

KB. i did misunderstand you entirely, point taken. Good point too.
added on the 2008-07-17 13:05:55 by NoahR NoahR
Yeah right, "This thread, when opened, was never meant too serious". Gööööööö-nau.

Just read your initial post again. Please. And then tell me that it's still about fun and friendship. Come on.

And btw, funny thing about FR is that it's both. A circle of friends (or at least acquaintances, no FR member ever joined without lots of personal contact to other members) as well as a label. And that's because it was planned that way from the very beginning as we were fed up with the shit that you seemingly still enjoy playing. This was 10 years ago already.

So yes, it will hurt, but if things ever go so down under that I consider it over, I'll swallow it and leave. Or i'll stay inactive, keep shut and resort to drinking with my groupmates. There's still so many things to do in a life, and most importantly none of the friends I made in the scene would turn the back on me because i'm not in "teh far-brush" anymore.
added on the 2008-07-17 13:10:38 by kb_ kb_
eeblis: but where did any of us try to tell you how we think the scene is?... where? - you are the only one stating that you thin that I (and other sceners) are telling you how WE think the scene is like - and you interpret that as the scene being artsy fartsy.

Please again point me to where we tell YOU how I tell you how I think the scene should be.

eeblis: and what is it about this soft delicate skin? - I'm reacting when you're saying that we want the scene to be artsy fartsy, when we actually don't want that, and neither experince that at all at the parties we visit.

Still you havn't visited a party for a long time, and I've been "iviting" you several times - you know that the bus for Breakpoint will be next year as well ;)
added on the 2008-07-17 13:11:19 by Puryx Puryx
guys there is only one way to get out of the ghetto,

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added on the 2008-07-17 13:16:21 by Zest Zest
here is another take on it. I believe that the pouet trolling is a good thing compared to having a flood of fuck and hatetros infest its database, because at the core of it it isnt much different. I can remember a lot of intros forgotten by time, that didnt make it to pouet, that consisted of little but a rotating cube and a flamescroller (no, not flame animation). Do we really want a flood of those back as opposed to bbs threads that disapear after a few laughs and pokes?

As everyone points out, the general format of the scene is different now. Most of those intros was never seen but between the people spamming eachother with them, and wasnt really relevant for anyone else either, but it was good fun, altso when you occationally came upon one aimed at someone else, like the now classical paradox "fuck angels" intro, which as far as im concered is the only hate tro to really derserve remembrence.
added on the 2008-07-17 13:27:40 by NoahR NoahR
Im saying the scene is wider, broader, and bigger than your pet understanding of it, or mine for that matter

im looking forward to seeing the demos made by all these people who are part of the wider scene i'm not aware of. there could be another breakpoint, another lifeforce, another debris out there in this "wider scene" that im totally not aware of! i must be missing out.
added on the 2008-07-17 13:28:39 by smash smash
does anyone get the point of this thread?
kb i love you, feel hugged.

This whole thread cant be taken serious.
To be honest...what the fuck are we all talking about?

added on the 2008-07-17 13:29:57 by _docd _docd


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