German?
category: general [glöplog]
sounds interesting, will look that up thx. oh and:
is that 'ofcourse you'd be fined and sentenced for slander!' or 'ofcourse you can wear that, no problem!'
this is the shirt, btw (not that clear)
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American History X of course...
is that 'ofcourse you'd be fined and sentenced for slander!' or 'ofcourse you can wear that, no problem!'
this is the shirt, btw (not that clear)
nazi advisors not only got used by the us, but also by a row of arabian and latin-american states. there were some nazi method "experts" in pinochets clique too, as well as in 60s egypt.
and aso dont forget wh was the "founding father" or us spacecraft - werner von braun, who had hundreds of forced laborors and kz prisoners working for him in peenemünde when he created the v2.
and aso dont forget wh was the "founding father" or us spacecraft - werner von braun, who had hundreds of forced laborors and kz prisoners working for him in peenemünde when he created the v2.
and Heisenberg almost made the first atomic bomb!!!
oh this shiiiirt was the question.
I guess sure, but not with the swastika tatoo.
dip:
U.S. was the most obvious example.
And the Pinochet regime at all was a plot against Aliende
arranged by Nixon, Kissinger in cooperation with Richard Helms (director of C.I.A. that time a.k.a. the Teflon director)
So this is one of the many Nazi-intelligence-import effects
after WWII.
I guess sure, but not with the swastika tatoo.
dip:
U.S. was the most obvious example.
And the Pinochet regime at all was a plot against Aliende
arranged by Nixon, Kissinger in cooperation with Richard Helms (director of C.I.A. that time a.k.a. the Teflon director)
So this is one of the many Nazi-intelligence-import effects
after WWII.
dodge: yeah, the shirt and the fact if you can even watch those movies? (they have swastika's in them!!)
the swastika tattoo is on the shirt, so i guess i'd be boned
the swastika tattoo is on the shirt, so i guess i'd be boned
err.. the swastika tat is not on that shirt.
btw, Serial Killer is a company that makes 'different' yet non-offensive t-shirts.
btw, Serial Killer is a company that makes 'different' yet non-offensive t-shirts.
is the word "swastika" also illegal in germany?
like, if i'd wear a white shirt saying in big black impact font letters
"I LIKE ADOLF
[swastika here]"
would that be like eh forbidden?
like, if i'd wear a white shirt saying in big black impact font letters
"I LIKE ADOLF
[swastika here]"
would that be like eh forbidden?
scout: is it not? i would swear it is, i'll check when i get home :) (i don't have the tee that long yet :))
and eh.. non -offensive? go tell that to the baywatch chick that forbid the 'Orgy' t-shirt to be sold in the US! (or did you mean non-offensive to the customers and not the people on the shirts? even that could be discussed, I had the liberty to meet people who thought my Satanic Surfers hoodie (<3 inopia) was offensive :)
and eh.. non -offensive? go tell that to the baywatch chick that forbid the 'Orgy' t-shirt to be sold in the US! (or did you mean non-offensive to the customers and not the people on the shirts? even that could be discussed, I had the liberty to meet people who thought my Satanic Surfers hoodie (<3 inopia) was offensive :)
Quoting my favourite book:
(following: said § 86 Abs. 3 und 4)
Okkie: Did that clear it up? ;)
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StGB § 86a Verwenden von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger Organisationen
(1) Mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe wird bestraft, wer
1. im Inland Kennzeichen einer der in § 86 Abs. 1 Nr. 1, 2 und 4 bezeichneten
Parteien oder Vereinigungen verbreitet oder öffentlich, in einer
Versammlung oder in von ihm verbreiteten Schriften (§ 11 Abs. 3) verwendet
oder
2. Gegenstände, die derartige Kennzeichen darstellen oder enthalten, zur
Verbreitung oder Verwendung im Inland oder Ausland in der in Nummer 1
bezeichneten Art und Weise herstellt, vorrätig hält, einführt oder
ausführt.
(2) Kennzeichen im Sinne des Absatzes 1 sind namentlich Fahnen, Abzeichen,
Uniformstücke, Parolen und Grußformen. Den in Satz 1 genannten Kennzeichen stehen
solche gleich, die ihnen zum verwechseln ähnlich sind.
(3) § 86 Abs. 3 und 4 gilt entsprechend.
(following: said § 86 Abs. 3 und 4)
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(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der
staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst
oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über
Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient.
(4) Ist die Schuld gering, so kann das Gericht von einer Bestrafung nach dieser
Vorschrift absehen.
Okkie: Did that clear it up? ;)
uh, Skrebbel I mean. sorry. :)
skrebbel:
This shirt would be forbidden and you'll get prosecuted by federal law.
In the case of:
I LIKE ADOLF [without the symbol] you most likely will
have to answer weired questions ;) from many people.
the word "Swastika" is not forbidden, "Hakenkreuz" as either. (How come? You couldn't even write a history book :D )
This shirt would be forbidden and you'll get prosecuted by federal law.
In the case of:
I LIKE ADOLF [without the symbol] you most likely will
have to answer weired questions ;) from many people.
the word "Swastika" is not forbidden, "Hakenkreuz" as either. (How come? You couldn't even write a history book :D )
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(How come? You couldn't even write a history book :D )
History books are exempt in general (§86 Abs. 3) ;)
But I'm surprised that seemingly no Neonazi group has tried to declare their showing of Swastikas etc. as Art ;)
KB:
group == musicband
||
group==politician party
???
I'd say in first case the BPS will take action regarding the content (Volksverhetzung).
Second case the sectretary for national security (Innenmeinisterium + Verfassungsschutz) will veto.
1st group I think is to dumb for such an action ;)
2nd group hopefully, too...but I'm affraid in those parties
are a lot of very clever subversive activists involved.
group == musicband
||
group==politician party
???
I'd say in first case the BPS will take action regarding the content (Volksverhetzung).
Second case the sectretary for national security (Innenmeinisterium + Verfassungsschutz) will veto.
1st group I think is to dumb for such an action ;)
2nd group hopefully, too...but I'm affraid in those parties
are a lot of very clever subversive activists involved.
this was forbidden! :))
No, it wasn't, we were asked nicely to not use it, and given an explanation of why, which, well, we didn't even think of that, and, well, ok, yeah, kinda, it does, but we didn't mean it that way. And no one involved thought we did. It's just, well, who the hell wanted to have THIS conversation, this one here, this huge-256+ post everyone slagging everyone else off, y'all suck, no, YOU suck, no YOU suck, no your mom sucks, no, YOUR mom sucks, oh yeah your DAD sucks, waaaaah conversation at breakpoint?
ok maybe just me, maybe I didn't wanna have it, blame me, I don't care (:
Anyway, we werne't forbidden from talking about it afterward. THAT would have been an issue. But we can. Putting it on the stage behind us wasn't as important as BEING on stage, ya know.
ok maybe just me, maybe I didn't wanna have it, blame me, I don't care (:
Anyway, we werne't forbidden from talking about it afterward. THAT would have been an issue. But we can. Putting it on the stage behind us wasn't as important as BEING on stage, ya know.
That BASS logo stuff made me curious :-)
(Source: kissfaq.com
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Often unknown to KISS fans, German releases were issued with the original KISS logo from 1975-1980, both on EMI and Bellaphon distributions for Casablanca. The change to the logo to the (in)famous Alternate logo only occured due to political pressure around the time of the 1980 Unmasked Tour. From then on Germany manufactured issues with both the regular and alternate logo, the regular issues mainly being used for export. The policy which forced the change of logo style is no longer in force.
(Source: kissfaq.com
true that. and honestly as non-german i didnt even really notice the dubiousness of the SS part -_- however it was funny :P
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And now imagine on which psychologic tactics and "achievements" the nowadays U.S. inner policy and intelligence work bases on.
You couldn't be more right, this was Goring's answer during the Nurnberg trials when he was asked how they convinced people to go to war:
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Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Sounds familair, doesn't it? :-(
so.. apparently Bush DID read a book -_-
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skrebbel:
This shirt would be forbidden and you'll get prosecuted by federal law.
ehh. i meant the words "[swastika here]". not a picture of a swastika. otherwise my question would've been rather stupid (taking the rest of this thread into account).
and kb, no, it didn't :)
it's in German and stuff. i can say like hallo wie gehts einmal pommes krieg bitte, but that legalese is a bit too hard for me (and i'm lazy)
This means that publicly showing symbols or other insignia of anti-constitutional organisations (which are ruled so no a per-case basis, the NSDAP being the most prominent of them) is forbidden by law. This applies to the Swastika, to chants like "Heil Hitler" etc.
Exempt from this are art, teaching, science, (neutral) journalism and generally everything that serves the purpose of political education or protecting the constitution. So most of the forum posts (esp. this one ;) in here are in fact borderline legal despite showing nazistic symbols/expressions. Same for history books and artworks as long as they don't serve as propaganda.
So you can write the words "Swastika" und "Adolf is cute" as often as you want, this falls under the usual freedom of expression. Wearing that American History shirt on the other hand is quite a clear case - considering that eg. Doom 1 was forbidden in .de not because of the violence but because of one room with a Swastika in it, I'd go for "illegal".
Exempt from this are art, teaching, science, (neutral) journalism and generally everything that serves the purpose of political education or protecting the constitution. So most of the forum posts (esp. this one ;) in here are in fact borderline legal despite showing nazistic symbols/expressions. Same for history books and artworks as long as they don't serve as propaganda.
So you can write the words "Swastika" und "Adolf is cute" as often as you want, this falls under the usual freedom of expression. Wearing that American History shirt on the other hand is quite a clear case - considering that eg. Doom 1 was forbidden in .de not because of the violence but because of one room with a Swastika in it, I'd go for "illegal".
ok, einmal Pommes Krieg...und wunscht du nen Kurrywurst dabei?!?!?
kb: then again, you guys have all the fun. "Green blood? Who made this shit up?!" (playing Carmageddon way back in the 20th century)
now this is all like wasting bytes... but isnt that what scene is all about? wasting bytes ;)
definately: nearly all of your examples are forbidden in good old germany... but im going to claim, people would value such "actions" as "tasteless" not even coz its illegal...
the path from "funny" to "impudent" is one of the shortest when it comes to the ww2-subject and all what it stands for.
like its funny to post some animations like that "macarena"-thingy up there but i already stops being funny when a person reads that post whos grandparents got abuzed by the nazi-regime.
he/she could rate it as "done by someone who laughs about the doings of ss".
nevertheless, german law is one of the strangest "institutions" there is, coz we hide away tax-avoiders but we let child-rapers walk free.
kb, midfit: greetings
definately: nearly all of your examples are forbidden in good old germany... but im going to claim, people would value such "actions" as "tasteless" not even coz its illegal...
the path from "funny" to "impudent" is one of the shortest when it comes to the ww2-subject and all what it stands for.
like its funny to post some animations like that "macarena"-thingy up there but i already stops being funny when a person reads that post whos grandparents got abuzed by the nazi-regime.
he/she could rate it as "done by someone who laughs about the doings of ss".
nevertheless, german law is one of the strangest "institutions" there is, coz we hide away tax-avoiders but we let child-rapers walk free.
kb, midfit: greetings
