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notification of not being pre-selected

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i wouldn't want to be listed on the big screen as "not good enough for this compo but thanks anyways" :D
added on the 2021-04-05 17:16:49 by psenough psenough
It has been done at previous Revisions and I thought it was nice gesture. Especially when there were scene veterans in the list, showing to newbies that it's not just them who didn't make it ;)
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I submitted a prod. On my browser side all went OK. To be sure I checked twice, reloaded! But the orgas have NOT got ANYTHING!


That’s the reason why I ask the orgas every time, if my entry got through.
added on the 2021-04-05 17:37:12 by gaspode gaspode
Both PartyMan and it's predecessor PMS display the user the status of their entries as pending, qualified, not qualified or disqualified. I asked no one if this is the way to go, I just did it as I felt it is information that the user is entitled to. Jury comments can also be found there.

Some might argue that it spoils the surprise in the competition, to which I will say: one does not have to go see the status of their entries.

And now having said that, I might add a box there that obscures the status, clicking it will reveal the spoiler.
added on the 2021-04-05 17:42:42 by T-101 T-101
Haha, so much injustice to ps for his amazing entry. But seriously, I agree, it should be communicated to the author at least.
added on the 2021-04-05 17:44:36 by tomkh tomkh
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I submitted a prod. On my browser side all went OK. To be sure I checked twice, reloaded! But the orgas have NOT got ANYTHING!


That’s the reason why I ask the orgas every time, if my entry got through.

Good Gaspode =)! I was trusting too much (sigh)!

OK, but then... Why all that personal data while registering (yeah, yeah, yeah, German's Law and etc) plus email, when one is not informed about good reception of the prod byt the compo team...?

Ha! It could/might be a good solution/feature to send an automatic email notification to the submitter such as:
"Congratulations! We got your entry! If rejected, we will let you know."

And all good. Communication, time saved instead of personal mailing...
added on the 2021-04-05 18:16:53 by sim sim
Simple solution to avoid being preselected: Submit your entry to a smaller party and support it. Bonus: Chances of winning are higher. If you win a small party you could get more attention to your prod than if you get 18 out of 27 at Revision, just because the compo is insanely full.
added on the 2021-04-05 18:31:17 by v3nom v3nom
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It could/might be a good solution/feature to send an automatic email notification to the submitter such as:
"Congratulations! We got your entry! If rejected, we will let you know."


That would be good. But I think you can only check automatically if the upload was completed techninally.

Because I suppose that the entries are checked for the first time after the deadline?!
added on the 2021-04-05 18:48:14 by gaspode gaspode
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Because I suppose that the entries are checked for the first time after the deadline?!

Not necessarily - it's always good to check entries as fast as possible (eg for correct upload, if it runs on the comp machine etc), so typically compo orgas start checking as soon as first entries are there (depending on other duties of course)
added on the 2021-04-05 19:00:39 by v3nom v3nom
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is it realistic to ask compo orgas for proper feedback beyond the standard "i'm sorry but we have limited airtime and we generally, subjectively, felt that other entries were more suited than yours to be presented on our compo"? most compo orgas don't have time to write down extensive feedback and/or discuss the merits of individual tracks with the creators before screening.

Yeah, that's why I've asked after the screening as I know before that it's busy times all around. Usually the question is along the lines of "is there any jury feedback you could pass on" without expecting them to go into details.

From my personal perspective as a compo orga and a scener, if someone asks me for feedback I'm happy to have another look at the entry and provide pointers if I can. And if at that exact moment I don't have time, I'll politely tell that I'll get back to that later when I'm not busy.
added on the 2021-04-05 19:24:25 by eimink eimink
movie festivals, conferences etc let you know beforehand if they show your stuff.

definitely something that demoparties should do as well.
added on the 2021-04-05 19:52:29 by nosfe nosfe
As a music compo organiser: Sorry, but no. I have absolutely no capacity and nerves to communicate with 20 disgruntled musicians _before_ the compo - it's already hard enough after the compo.
added on the 2021-04-05 19:55:04 by dipswitch dipswitch
I think it's enough if contestants know the procedure beforehand, then they know what to expect and how to deal with it: https://2019.evoke.eu/competitions/#preselection
added on the 2021-04-05 19:57:40 by dipswitch dipswitch
In Partymeister or whatever, why not just display Accepted in Compo / Not Accepted in Compo / Waiting for Jury. No need to communicate anything and instead of fretting during the compo or bothering organizers, people can refresh the intranet frenetically instead.
added on the 2021-04-05 20:00:19 by Preacher Preacher
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As a music compo organiser: Sorry, but no. I have absolutely no capacity and nerves to communicate with 20 disgruntled musicians _before_ the compo - it's already hard enough after the compo.

Pardon me?
I do not understand quite well (talking about the attitude, not all the meanders behind). If the person is not responding = the person does not care. Period.
But saying "I do not cause it is already hard enuff"...
Hum...
added on the 2021-04-05 20:01:36 by sim sim
@Preacher: In theory, this is nice. In practice, there will be immediately a queue of 20 musicians lined up at the organizer booth, demanding to know why their song will not be played, offering alternative versions for a last-minute listen, etc.
added on the 2021-04-05 20:02:11 by dipswitch dipswitch
I'm with Saga Musix on the 3:30 time limit and would not consider submitting an entry to the compo if it was any lower than that. Actually I tend to skip Evoke's music competition because of this, since I find it too limiting for certain styles of music which rely more on (slower) intro or outro sequences rather than untz untz (simplified explanation). For the very same reason we accept 5 minute long tracks at Nordlicht and will always do so, while at the same time try to play as many entries as possible without preselecting.

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... see other stuff much worse / bland / uninteresting ...


The quality of a production is often highly subjective. Stuff that works for others might not work well for you or me although I'd agree that sometimes, it can also be very obviously worse than another submission no matter how you look at it ;)

Finding out during the compo that you were preselected is quite disheartening, especially when you put days or weeks of effort, sweat and tears into your prod beforehand. But trust me, it feels just as terrible to be told early on that you're not in, because it will immediately put put a serious damper on your excitement for the remainder of the party (asking yourself questions as to "why" without having seen the other entries for comparison).

D.Fox's toggle option is a great idea, let the people decide what they prefer ^^
added on the 2021-04-05 20:10:07 by SunSpire SunSpire
Hm...actually i like it not being informed about preselection.
It raises expectations and i take the dissapointment about being preselected as motivation for the next time.

Anyway, release the track elsewhere.
I was happy this time being preselected.
It was an absolute killer competition.
added on the 2021-04-05 23:24:53 by _docd _docd
Most probably it was always historically accepted because the demoscene is a fun and rebel culture, not some company that has to be politically correct. It's sort of traditional to be angry and complain that your entry was cut out! Now that most of us are growing older, we have more professional expectations. Since last year, most parties are using the same online submission system, so maybe an email notification could be enabled.
added on the 2021-04-06 00:05:12 by mop mop
Thankfully Nova is small so we don't have to pre-select, which is just as well because it sounds like a terrible ball ache! But I think D Fox's idea appears to be the most diplomatic.

On the subject of rejections from pre-selection, in the rules at almost every party I see something like this..

"Unlike some other demoparties, we will NOT spread your entry"

Can someone tell me a party in the last 5 years which releases entries which haven't passed? Just curious if this is some relic from a bygone era.
added on the 2021-04-06 02:05:12 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Speaking personally as a compo orga: I'd be in favour of notifying people. While I've not been involved in a compo that does that, so I don't know exactly what I'd be letting myself in for - I can't see it adding a substantial amount of hassle on top of the usual rounds of "yes, the 'please provide a video capture' rule does apply to you too. No, we're not going to show your 10 minute greeting scroller in full. OK, you can have a 1 hour deadline extension. Yes, that is all". And any extra hassle that it does create is more than justified by the reduced frustration for the participants overall.

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I submitted a prod. On my browser side all went OK. To be sure I checked twice, reloaded! But the orgas have NOT got ANYTHING!

You may imagine the unpleasant surprise (and I imagine yours, this year, those who got preselected), while watching the compo I was participating in, I have not seen my entry. Just "The compo is OVER"... No "hello" nor "We got your entry, if not OK, we well be back to you". WTF?


To clear up a possible misconception here: if there's a technical problem with your submission that prevents us from showing it, we will always, always try to contact you about it. Obviously if something fails at the point of submitting it to the extent that it doesn't reach us at all, then there's not much we can do, and likewise if you don't check your messages all weekend. In this case, changing the policy around preselection wouldn't help you here. OK, Partymeister sending email notifications in addition to the internal messaging system probably wouldn't be a bad thing, but that's a separate topic.
added on the 2021-04-06 02:07:41 by gasman gasman
I wonder if complaining musicians have been a problem at Assembly.
added on the 2021-04-06 07:31:11 by yzi yzi
i've personally very much appreciated assembly letting me know that my track won't be played. conversely it also means that lol no way am i wasting my time listening to the compo then.

but either way i do agree that it's a good idea to let people know about not passing preselection. something we'll be doing with boozedrome going forward as well.
It didn't bother me that my MOD was not selected and that there was no information about it before i saw "The Compo is over".

But if a reason is also a lack of time with mods or music entries, I might suggest that you put compos together. E.g. streamed music with modern graphics, tracked music with old school graphics, etc. Then you not only have a musical feeling but also visually. Just an idea.
added on the 2021-04-06 07:56:49 by D4XX D4XX
d4xx:
Nice Idea, but no. Music and Visuals would be psychologically connected and would affect each other in behalf of voting up or - not.

And it would affect the sorting of each entries aswell.
added on the 2021-04-06 08:18:11 by _docd _docd

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