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do you want to try WaveSabre?

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Do you want to try the Logicoma synth WaveSabre? Well we have a Slack team setup where you can grab the VSTs, catch, share projects, talk DSP etc.. It's not public so we don't get flooded by people but if you want to join, just tap me up at @djh0ffman on twitter and I'll send you an invite or through your email in here ( which on a public forum probably isn't a good idea ).

If you want to write music with it, it's important to note that we only support the following DAWs. Also we are PC only at this point (we're trying to resolve that, but its proving a little difficult.) although I hear virtual box is a good solution these days for the interim. Personally I use parallels.

Ableton
Reaper
FL Studio
Renoise (and no, there is no side-chain support until they sort their s**t out)

If you're DAW isn't listed I'm always interested in adding support, but it's important to note that things like proprietary binary project files are not an easy thing to read. If you can supply a schema for the project file, or even better a C# parser, I'm all ears :)
added on the 2019-02-05 16:49:05 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
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Also we are PC only at this point (we're trying to resolve that, but its proving a little difficult.)


I could help with making it work on Linux, but I first need to find some time for that...
added on the 2019-02-05 17:35:49 by porocyon porocyon
As I said on Demobit already - I'd love to put my fingers on it when there's some even alpha-like-stage version for OSX. :-)
added on the 2019-02-05 18:16:06 by argasek argasek
Awesome, I'd love to take it for a spin! I'm not really on Twitter, so posting here: my email is my username on pouet @ninjadev.org
added on the 2019-02-05 18:23:33 by sigveseb sigveseb
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Also we are PC only at this point (we're trying to resolve that, but its proving a little difficult.)


I could help with making it work on Linux, but I first need to find some time for that...


might tap you up about this after we've gone open source ;)


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As I said on Demobit already - I'd love to put my fingers on it when there's some even alpha-like-stage version for OSX. :-)


If we ever resolve our GSM compression / decompression issues on mac, we'll let you know. :)
added on the 2019-02-05 18:28:09 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
no twitter and your old email i found seems to be dysfunct :-(
any other options? mine is my pouet handle @gmx dot de ...
added on the 2019-02-05 19:39:01 by ws ws
and for those of you that don't know what this is:

Here's a seminar for ya
added on the 2019-02-06 10:25:04 by wobble wobble
excellent seminars really enjoyed watching your presentations. i'm wondering if the "custom audio codec" would achieve better compression for sample data. very tempted to give this badboy a try. amazing sounding synth. mad respect.
added on the 2019-02-06 15:50:25 by keito keito
Yeah, would probably gain on both size and quality using a modern approach. The benefit currently of using GSM is that its included with windows which is also the drawback.
added on the 2019-02-06 16:57:30 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Opus is installed by default on Linux (well, [url=http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-amd64.manifest]defa ult Ubuntu, which is what [url=https://2019.revision-party.net/compos/pc]the Revision compo rules say), so just use that :P
added on the 2019-02-06 18:02:52 by porocyon porocyon
Something something jazz musicians

Opus is installed by default on Linux (well, default Ubuntu, which is what the Revision compo rules say), so just use that :P
added on the 2019-02-06 18:04:10 by porocyon porocyon
Yay ! WaveSabre
added on the 2019-02-19 13:38:44 by maeln maeln
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added on the 2019-02-20 14:35:01 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Massive thanks to wertstahl for the awesome logo!
added on the 2019-02-20 14:35:39 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
I'm using Reason as DAW, and since a while it supports VSTs - is there any chance that Wavesabre would work with Reason?

I'll happily try it out for you :)
added on the 2019-02-20 14:58:31 by Puryx Puryx
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I'm using Reason as DAW, and since a while it supports VSTs - is there any chance that Wavesabre would work with Reason?

I'll happily try it out for you :)


I suspect their project file format is some hideous propriety binary thing. Send me over a project file and I'll take a look.
added on the 2019-02-20 15:03:14 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Puryx, I wouldn't hold you breath pal. I just did a quick check and virtually the entire contents of the song data is encrypted. Made a basic song with some midi notes and the slaughter device, added a single note, re-saved and compared and ALL of the data changed. So unless someone is gonna reverse engineer their file encryption it's a non-starter I'm afriad... time to switch DAW's ;)
added on the 2019-02-20 16:57:03 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Could be compression? Sounds weird to use encryption for something like that. Still quite annoying if it's not an off-the-shelf algorithm with a suitable library to go with.
added on the 2019-02-20 17:34:21 by absence absence
Compression would usually result in almost the same data (esp. for larger files, for small files the current context could be the entire file...), but many cryptosystems/cypher modes have this behavior as well (eg. ECB, CBC, CTR). However, it's usually easier to make the result completely different when using encryption.

So in the end it seems to be more likely to be encrypted to me (but you can probably prove otherwise - I haven't seen the file), but on the other hand, encrypting files like this means every install of Reason uses the same key for every file, and therefore shouldn't be that hard to figure out. (Eg. Terraria does this for player saves, and is easily decompilable.)
added on the 2019-02-20 18:19:45 by porocyon porocyon
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Could be compression? Sounds weird to use encryption for something like that. Still quite annoying if it's not an off-the-shelf algorithm with a suitable library to go with.


Who knows, it might be either but it's far and above my pay grade and skill level. If someone else wants to take up that part and provide something to decrypt / uncompress the file, I'll happily take on the conversion from there (C#)
added on the 2019-02-20 18:22:21 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Funny how like 90% of that file is just 0xFE bytes. Apart from that it seems like an IFF-like format, which wouldn't be too much of a surprise since that's what they already used in ReBirth (although back then they actually bothered to document their format). However, the content of those chunks is definitely going to be hard to decipher, and if someone really is up for it, this person should have access to Reason as a good approach to reverse-engineering is changing one parameter of the file at a time (e.g. a note in a pattern) and then watching what changes inside the file. Just having a single file is not going to be enough for this.
That's Reason 6, Reason 5 had a packed format.
added on the 2019-02-20 21:03:01 by Gargaj Gargaj
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(e.g. a note in a pattern) and then watching what changes


Yep, already done this. About half way through the file there is a chuck which states reason song file. After that the entire binary stream is encrypted. The clue here was that I changed one note and that entire block for the rest of the file changes. If it was decrypted the changes would be visible.
added on the 2019-02-21 00:27:34 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
The fact that i talked alot about this to a very proficient person who gave up on analyzing the file format quite some time ago, plus that there ain't even a hacking topic on this after 18 years (unlike the Sony MD hacking efforts for example (which also failed)) hints at any Reason user's opportunity to try a new DAW, because you won't be using nothing else but Wavesabre in your Wavesabre-related project, anyways.
added on the 2019-02-21 00:51:25 by ws ws

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