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Challenge: Which was the first demoscene demo?

category: residue [glöplog]
Thats easy, just find the first cracktro without a game.

This is the reason for one of the rules, i.e. I'm trying to find the first demo released for its own sake. Screens before games, well Apple II had lots of those.

And so the first demo "as we would call one today" might very well have been perceived as looking like "what is this? A cracktro without a game??" :D And that's the whole thing about "for its own sake". This is the category for which I seek the very first one. It's just for personal curiosity, maybe it will interest someone else too :)

I think it's really hard to say which was the first demoscene demo according to the given criteria, but The Judges were a really early (1986) group who weren't involved in cracking at all to my knowledge.

It is a little bit towards the "logo+scroller" of preceding crack intros, but I would say this qualifies within the rules! The question is if it was the first.

Deus : demos were way before demo parties existed

I'm actually not that sure about "way" before. But before, certainly. I think when the "for its own sake" thing caught on, someone later realized "we could arrange compos, not just copy that floppy". :D And then there were compos. I think the first demo competing in a compo would extremely likely qualify, but be an estimated 1-2 years after the first demo. Or more. That's certainly possible.

those rules are kinda ...

..spot on! I for got one super interested in potential suggestions. I immediately had a few in mind, which I quickly ruled out after going through the requirements in my head. TBH, this requires input of guys who where actually around during the time when "demo" became a thing. Paging Grendel & co.

I spent a ton of time whittling/sculpting/nailing the rules just because there's so little in it between crack intros, PD, software demos, and demos.

Obviously I have np if someone made realtime raytracing and put it before a game on Apple II, or if a pioneer made a PD demo or computer club compo entry early on, or if a company demoed their excellent software or hardware accessory for a computer, or even if a computer manufacturer themselves made a demo to show off the computer's outstanding features.

If there is a first demo, there's a high chance it might have grown out of one or more of these scenes.

But it does have to have some direct connection to the demoscene as we know it today (for this topic, I mean). Which means handles, groups, etc and released for its own sake.
added on the 2018-04-22 01:16:53 by Photon Photon
this is a weird one at least: http://csdb.dk/release/?id=21689 :)

oh, and i made this one 84ish - does that count? =D
added on the 2018-04-22 02:22:22 by groepaz groepaz
I think it was "Harmony of the spheres" by Pythagoras of Samos, c. 500 BC. Or it's at least the one to blame for all those newschool planet intros ;)

But on a more serious note.
According to my very credible youtube research, I have found out that in History of Computer Animation they say: "in 1960s bored programmers realized that they can create bizzare images with their computers" (...) "a computer can be instructed to create motion-pictures". Hmm.. they were clearly onto something there.
added on the 2018-04-22 22:34:44 by tomkh tomkh
@groepaz - offtopic question: does your nick mean what I guess ;)
added on the 2018-04-22 22:58:39 by Asato Asato
the P stands for Penis, obviously :)
added on the 2018-04-22 23:11:28 by groepaz groepaz
Remember also that what you call "scene" now seems very "demooriented" back in those days, it was an indie-environment, and I played on the first houseparty nearby, after my #1 with Bitscéner Sounds on TG92 Light.

And built a homestudio, becoming known for making "more melodic techno" than the usual, which later was known as "Trance" :) One of the most independent musicphenomena to have ever happened.

See also my trance project, a follow up to 90s plur culture.

Where I later also did my own DSP, in pure scene excellence spirit, getting most of the loudness war sound out. Doing the last tunings on this now!

It all part of my Fair Pay In Cyberspace project, which itself is an excellent followup to the scene that started in 90, peaked in 92,93, and faded, and rejected "games". What indeed better now, that making money on digital goods, instead. (Keeping maybe simulatory games, and I also have a fast pseudo 4Kmode for fantasygames, if anyone still bothers doing that.. As long as it is not in conflict with the Fair Pay intent.)

added on the 2018-04-23 17:23:43 by Puryx Puryx
the first "cracktro without a game" releases were probably packs which put a lot of crack intros in a nice package. i know there have been several of those on atari and amiga in the 80s/early 90s so I wouldnt be surprised to learn that they existed almost as long as crack intros themselfes.
Its probably those packs where the idea to link the different parts to one big "demo" comes from, but dont ask me which prod was the first ;)
added on the 2018-04-23 19:45:16 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Depends how you define demoscene. But I would say something done by a group, meant for distribution by disk or BBS, non-commercial. It can be by a crack group (and probably will be) but not attached to a game or app. It shouldn't just be gfx or music ripped from a game. It shouldn't be a "demo" made to showcase a computer at a store (plenty of late 70s/early 80s Apple/Atari "demos" like that). And it should probably have some kind of realtime effect.

So, with all that in mind, we're probably looking at something between 1984-85 on the C64 by a crack group that's a logo and scroller, saying they're looking for members or just that they're a really cool new group.
added on the 2018-04-23 19:45:52 by phoenix phoenix
As in 1987 there are already dozens of demos fitting the rules in multiple platforms, no one has to at least search for anything newer than that. My bet is '85 (very few ones) or even '86 - when having to go by the rules.
added on the 2018-04-24 08:10:19 by Serpent Serpent
Also interesting on this topic: When: First demoscene-party? First demo?
added on the 2018-04-24 10:47:12 by gaspode gaspode
the first demo was 'Rob is geboren'
added on the 2018-04-24 10:48:42 by nagz nagz
As in 1987 there are already dozens of demos fitting the rules in multiple platforms, no one has to at least search for anything newer than that. My bet is '85 (very few ones) or even '86 - when having to go by the rules.

it might actually even been earlier! I did some digging and found this gem which I think is from 1984 and it shows quite some of the aesthetics that would become popular demoscene staples later! The end part truly baffled me tbh!
added on the 2018-04-24 11:24:12 by okkie okkie
The first demo was "Piccolo Mouso" in 1983.


Challenge completed.
added on the 2018-04-24 11:38:53 by Zplex Zplex
The first demo was "Piccolo Mouso" in 1983.


Challenge completed.

You are way too slow. That demo was already mentioned in the first reply here. And it was my first thought too. :)
added on the 2018-04-24 11:51:31 by StingRay StingRay
How exactly Piccolo Mouso fits within the rules in question?
added on the 2018-04-24 12:30:15 by Serpent Serpent
It doesn't. Hence I didn't mention it. It still is the best demo ever though. :D
added on the 2018-04-24 12:41:59 by StingRay StingRay
Here we have a release date at least (11th Oct 1985) http://csdb.dk/release/?id=19103 but as it's already at least 11th intro/demo from FCG alone, it's probably not the oldest that qualifies.
added on the 2018-04-24 13:18:14 by Serpent Serpent
Serpent: Doesn't that one fail on the "must be linked to a scene that is identifiably separate from the cracker scene" condition? We could probably do with some clarification from Photon on this point...

(It seems to me that it's kind of hard to define that rigorously, unless we say something like "it must be released under a handle that was not previously associated with releasing cracks", which seems a bit too restrictive.)
added on the 2018-04-24 14:07:05 by gasman gasman
Challenge resumed.

It`s DEMO by Bob Bishop in 1978: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPe7pE_5uQ
added on the 2018-04-24 16:02:14 by Zplex Zplex
if anyone cares, its commonly accepted that "Piccolo Mouso" is the first C64 demo at least. regardless what someones whacky "rules" say :)
added on the 2018-04-24 17:39:37 by groepaz groepaz
Yeah Gasman... If that earlier Pure-Byte demo is not separate from cracker scene enough (they have some cracks) then i just have to place my pick to which ever The Judges demo is the oldest.
added on the 2018-04-24 19:21:06 by Serpent Serpent
It really needs to be separate from cracking and games, to quality as what is known as "scene". As in the Glorious early 90s.


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