MDT9K s03e01 - 10 January 2018
category: general [glöplog]
Season 3 of Mystery Demoscene Theater 9000 will kick off on wednesday, the 10th of January 2018 around 21:00 Lisbon time. Tune in to twitch, youtube, facebook or good old scenesat for a couple hours of demo viewing and talking.
Guests for this first episode of season 3 we'll have the Arrogant Bastards duo of Sir Garbagetruck/Accession and Franky/RBBS.
Here is a free link to the archive of season 2!
Guests for this first episode of season 3 we'll have the Arrogant Bastards duo of Sir Garbagetruck/Accession and Franky/RBBS.
Here is a free link to the archive of season 2!
Looking forward to this episode.
thats gonna last longer than 2 hours and truck still hasn't made a demo
:D
This is going to be good. :D
"Welcome to my show" - truck, 10th of January 2018
*** sets status 'has truck made a demo yet?' to 'it's complicated' ***
later today
some dickhead booked a meeting with me starting at the same time as this :(
I am sure you will be doing a good job ps. I probably won't watch the show live but I will watch the recorded video a couple of days later. Have a nice show!
i'm actually pretty sure it will be a massive truck derailing of the original idea :) but it'll be fun nonetheless :)
you can do it, adok believes in you!
started the preshow of MDT9K http://twitch.tv/penough
youtube was still processing it.
Watching right now. Comments so far:
1. Bad Apple is not a demo in the sense of "realtime demo", but it is quite a technical achievement to compress such videos to fit on a Master System's cartridge, for instance. Also, Bad Apple definitely has artistic value.
2. You named the video wrongly :-(
("Mystery Demoscene Theater 9000 s01e03" instead of "Mystery Demoscene Theater 9000 s03e01")
3. IMHO the whole concept of Mystery Demoscene Theater is very good. It is a worthy successor to the traditional diskmag concept and it makes use of the new capabilities provided by broadband Internet and high-resolution screens. I appreciate that you have been courageous enough to make this step even though the demoscene is often quite skeptic about "wasting resources" such as bandwidth (I have recently had a discussion with sceners on Facebook on that matter).
1. Bad Apple is not a demo in the sense of "realtime demo", but it is quite a technical achievement to compress such videos to fit on a Master System's cartridge, for instance. Also, Bad Apple definitely has artistic value.
2. You named the video wrongly :-(
("Mystery Demoscene Theater 9000 s01e03" instead of "Mystery Demoscene Theater 9000 s03e01")
3. IMHO the whole concept of Mystery Demoscene Theater is very good. It is a worthy successor to the traditional diskmag concept and it makes use of the new capabilities provided by broadband Internet and high-resolution screens. I appreciate that you have been courageous enough to make this step even though the demoscene is often quite skeptic about "wasting resources" such as bandwidth (I have recently had a discussion with sceners on Facebook on that matter).
A topic that would actually interest me is the social backgrounds of sceners and the social/political circumstances that make demo creation and a demoscene possible.
I know that this is a highly complex topic but that's just what makes it interesting....
I am also aware that many sceners probably wouldn't be all too keen on exposing too much about themselves on the Internet so I know it is quite unlikely that these topics will be covered in depth in a diskmag or a video show.
I know that this is a highly complex topic but that's just what makes it interesting....
I am also aware that many sceners probably wouldn't be all too keen on exposing too much about themselves on the Internet so I know it is quite unlikely that these topics will be covered in depth in a diskmag or a video show.
To explain my intentions better:
(simply don't read it if you are not interested in social/political topics)
I recall a German scener (coder + musician) once stated (I think it was in an interview in ZINE) that he was coming from the "middle class".
So what does that mean? My notion of "middle class" is that the parents are well-educated, but have to work for a living, most likely as employees of some company.
What does this imply? It implies insecurity to some extent, but less insecurity than if he were from the "under class".
I suppose that insecurity is a threat to time-intensive hobbies such as the demoscene. So probably although his parents were "middle class", they were probably quite well-settled in their professions, so that the level of insecurity was rather low. That enabled them to invest time in educating their children, so they could teach their son music composition and programming (or at least enable him to teach these things to himself). In a setting with more insecurity, that probably wouldn't have been possible.
This also raises the question what political system would be most beneficial to make people feel secure enough so that they and their children are able to pursue time-intensive hobbies such as the demoscene.
Maybe the reason why the demoscene in the USA is so small is due to low social security? At least it seems somewhat logical to me. Of course I might also be just making wrong assumptions.
Also, it is a question whether society tolerates demoscene activity and what you can do to pursue your hobby nevertheless if it does not. For example, I never talked to anybody here in Austria with whom I was in contact in "real life" about my demoscene hobby. Nobody here in Vienna, Austria was aware that I was making an international diskmag, except my parents and a couple of classmates of mine. In fact we hardly had any readers from Austria, but loads of readers from other European countries...
With Austria, it often happens that people who are famous inside the country are shunned by the international audience, and it is also the other way round. It is also worth discussing if this is particular about Austria or also occurs in other countries.
If this was "tl;dr" for you:
I was just explaining why I am interested in the topics I proposed in the previous posting, and provided some assumptions/hypotheses of mine that might be true, or might be not true - I don't know.
Maybe some people would be interested in discussing these things in a future video show.
(simply don't read it if you are not interested in social/political topics)
I recall a German scener (coder + musician) once stated (I think it was in an interview in ZINE) that he was coming from the "middle class".
So what does that mean? My notion of "middle class" is that the parents are well-educated, but have to work for a living, most likely as employees of some company.
What does this imply? It implies insecurity to some extent, but less insecurity than if he were from the "under class".
I suppose that insecurity is a threat to time-intensive hobbies such as the demoscene. So probably although his parents were "middle class", they were probably quite well-settled in their professions, so that the level of insecurity was rather low. That enabled them to invest time in educating their children, so they could teach their son music composition and programming (or at least enable him to teach these things to himself). In a setting with more insecurity, that probably wouldn't have been possible.
This also raises the question what political system would be most beneficial to make people feel secure enough so that they and their children are able to pursue time-intensive hobbies such as the demoscene.
Maybe the reason why the demoscene in the USA is so small is due to low social security? At least it seems somewhat logical to me. Of course I might also be just making wrong assumptions.
Also, it is a question whether society tolerates demoscene activity and what you can do to pursue your hobby nevertheless if it does not. For example, I never talked to anybody here in Austria with whom I was in contact in "real life" about my demoscene hobby. Nobody here in Vienna, Austria was aware that I was making an international diskmag, except my parents and a couple of classmates of mine. In fact we hardly had any readers from Austria, but loads of readers from other European countries...
With Austria, it often happens that people who are famous inside the country are shunned by the international audience, and it is also the other way round. It is also worth discussing if this is particular about Austria or also occurs in other countries.
If this was "tl;dr" for you:
I was just explaining why I am interested in the topics I proposed in the previous posting, and provided some assumptions/hypotheses of mine that might be true, or might be not true - I don't know.
Maybe some people would be interested in discussing these things in a future video show.
Ok this show was damn good. Learned more about some demos, found some new demo favorites and had a couple of laughs.
whoops, you're right, fixed the title.
well, if your family cant afford a computer and you have to work 2 jobs to pay for your education, chances are you wont have much time for anything creative, unless ofcourse that is your education.
but i don't really see economical class as being a stopper for people getting into it. especially considering how cheap computers are nowdays and how accessible information is with the internet.
in that regard demoscene is in quite similar footing to the traditional arts, where you surely need some money to get an education and buy instruments / supplies. but it's not a mandatory requirement as long as you have passion for it, you'll make do with what you get and keep pushing your art forward regardless of having a formal education or financial support.
there is something to be said about "higher class" families not wanting to see their children "waste time" with artistic/fun stuff instead of getting a career in a "serious industry". so it really depends from case to case. i believe the passion of the person is the real determinant. if you really want to do those kind of things, you'll do them regardless of what support or what other people think.
regarding politics, it's clear some political systems directly support the arts more then others, but even under fascist regimes you can find art being done. so it's not as clear cut there either.
well, if your family cant afford a computer and you have to work 2 jobs to pay for your education, chances are you wont have much time for anything creative, unless ofcourse that is your education.
but i don't really see economical class as being a stopper for people getting into it. especially considering how cheap computers are nowdays and how accessible information is with the internet.
in that regard demoscene is in quite similar footing to the traditional arts, where you surely need some money to get an education and buy instruments / supplies. but it's not a mandatory requirement as long as you have passion for it, you'll make do with what you get and keep pushing your art forward regardless of having a formal education or financial support.
there is something to be said about "higher class" families not wanting to see their children "waste time" with artistic/fun stuff instead of getting a career in a "serious industry". so it really depends from case to case. i believe the passion of the person is the real determinant. if you really want to do those kind of things, you'll do them regardless of what support or what other people think.
regarding politics, it's clear some political systems directly support the arts more then others, but even under fascist regimes you can find art being done. so it's not as clear cut there either.
good show, truck is right about bad apple.
