The Meteoriks Awards 2021
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No Demoscene release should have to be shared online to be considered released. The Demoscene started before the Internet, or even modems, this we know. It's like saying, if you didn't upload it with your modem to a BBS, it's not released yet.
Instead, we see an initiative that makes fools of us, forgetting our roots.
I absolutely second Photon here!
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Has a similarly condescending connotation as "low-end".What's wrong with "Oldskool"/"Oldschool"?
And some new productions for these old machines can feel surprisingly fresh and "newschool". =)
Plus it still feels like there should be at least 3 categories, as lumping together 8-bit and 16-bit platforms seems wrong, but so does 16-bit and current tech.
I guess I don't care so much about the box, as about what's in it.
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No Demoscene release should have to be shared online to be considered released.
I would like to note that our statement above does not contradict this - we are not saying "if it's not online it's not released" - it certainly is.
What we are saying is that for the Meteoriks the method of release must satisfy a certain degree of public availability, and we decided that "publicly downloadable binary" is the minimum degree of public availability we require for the Meteoriks.
The Meteoriks are a public award reaching out to a worldwide audience through the Internet. If a prod is nominated it should be at least as simple to get a hold of the prod as it is to get the information that it was nominated in the first place.
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He'd still have to beat votes for competing prods, and there are more PC users on Pouet than other platforms.
There's an important misconception in this sentence that I think is important to address independently:
The Meteoriks are not a demo compo.
They are explicitly and intentionally designed to not pay attention to who got the most public votes, and the prod suggestion features on Pouet and Demozoo are not voting frontends. If a prod is suggested by one person, our jury will look at it. If a prod is suggested by fifty persons, our jury will look at it in exactly the same way. If a prod is suggested by zero persons, chances are our jury will still look at it because they sift through all prods of the previous year to find the ones that stand out. The suggestions are only a means to make sure they don't miss your favorite prod.
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"You spread it on disk? How dare you, infidel!"
Your words, not ours. Please don't make this personal when it isn't.
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The Meteoriks are a public award reaching out to a worldwide audience through the Internet.
If a prod is nominated it should be at least as simple to get a hold of the prod as it is to get the information that it was nominated in the first place.
It's totally understandabe that this was an unusual situation and your approach is the most comfortable for the jury and your audience.
The problem is that it disrespects how the artists would like their work to be distributed. And in the end this also means that you decide what a "proper" demoscene release is and what is not. If you have a look where the scene is coming from, this ridicules the award and also shows little interest to adapt to new developments.
What dojoe says absolutely makes sense, but if we're still talking about the Scene Spirit category then I think there's an extra subtlety there, as things don't have to be actual productions to qualify for that category. If the thing being considered for an award is the act of distributing a demo by mail, then it seems to me that should qualify even if the jurors don't get to see the demo. (It's just that it probably won't do very well if all the jurors have to work with is a one-sentence description of what happened, that's all.) Otherwise, by the same logic, the Christmas card exchange wouldn't qualify because the jurors don't get to se all the cards.
I have to disagree with Krill. The fact that these demos are running on an old and underpowered-by-today's-standards platform is what makes them interesting, not the number of data lines on the processor. Terms like 'old' and 'low-end' are only deprecating if you choose to interpret them that way - if anything, I'd say you're underselling the achievement by not giving that context.
I have to disagree with Krill. The fact that these demos are running on an old and underpowered-by-today's-standards platform is what makes them interesting, not the number of data lines on the processor. Terms like 'old' and 'low-end' are only deprecating if you choose to interpret them that way - if anything, I'd say you're underselling the achievement by not giving that context.
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but if we're still talking about the Scene Spirit category
Ah thanks, you're right that that should be clarified. Our decision to only consider prods that have a publicly downloadable release applies for our standard fare categories where only prods are considered in the first place.
Scene Spirit is certainly a different thing, though the spirit (hah!) of the rule applies there as well - something should have been sufficiently public to qualify for consideration but I think that's pretty much a given in this category since how else would it have lifted our collective moods? :)
let's nominate the Meteoriks for the Scene Spirit award for degrading low-end processors to "low-end" processors, just to go full circle!
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The problem is that it disrespects how the artists would like their work to be distributed. And in the end this also means that you decide what a "proper" demoscene release is and what is not. If you have a look where the scene is coming from, this ridicules the award and also shows little interest to adapt to new developments.
Well, no. Meteoriks is in no position to decide what is proper demoscene release and what is not. They are not _forcing_ anyone to do anything, unless the artists want to be nominated for one of their awards of course. If an artist wants compete for one of their awards, well, just follow their rules then. Works exactly the same as with all compos.
My two cents: artificially limiting the availability of art to increase its perceived value is pretty old trick in the art scene. Seems to be working, again.
The Meteoriks crew are free to set their rules for their awards. That's fair enough.
What bothers me about this discussion is that the distribution of something on floppy is somehow "limited", "inaccessible" or even means that the production isn't really "released". What the actual fuck? A second hand Amiga 500 is way cheaper than whatever PC required to run the latest Windows demos and surely the vast majority of Amiga sceners must have at least one unused disk to send out for swapping.
Regarding Hologon, there was not secret handshake, no exclusive list of elite sceners deemed worthy of recieving a copy. I just sent some disks and got them back, filled with content - no questions asked. That's a public release if I ever saw one.
What bothers me about this discussion is that the distribution of something on floppy is somehow "limited", "inaccessible" or even means that the production isn't really "released". What the actual fuck? A second hand Amiga 500 is way cheaper than whatever PC required to run the latest Windows demos and surely the vast majority of Amiga sceners must have at least one unused disk to send out for swapping.
Regarding Hologon, there was not secret handshake, no exclusive list of elite sceners deemed worthy of recieving a copy. I just sent some disks and got them back, filled with content - no questions asked. That's a public release if I ever saw one.
We have obtained addresses and sent disks unconditionally to some elite Amiga sceners due to the low initial interest in our campaign. We do not demand to send in a disk, even just sending an electronic letter with an address can be enough.
Thanks to Haujobb (with whom we are in war now), the campaign is now in shatters, but it's not dead yet. I've sent three packages since yesterday.
It's an accurate observation that by making it more difficult to obtain, the value of a production increases - in this case from about zero to about zero. Let's not get carried away by the relevance and significance of demos.
I can speak only for myself, but my motivation is something different: I find it an abomination to consume demos not live from real hardware, but via video, from internet, captured from an emulator, or any combination thereof. This is pure ideology.
The problem is just the absence of parties. Normally I visit parties to watch stuff from other platforms. I rarely watch a demo again that I have seen at a party. I cannot watch demos for the Windows platform for example, but I can visit parties to see them.
As artists, we have the choice of the medium. In absence of parties with live presentation, we've chosen to send out floppy disks, to make sure that our demo enters the recipients' senses as immediately and undistorted as possible.
As it turned out, it's also huge fun that I can recommend to everybody. :-)
Thanks to Haujobb (with whom we are in war now), the campaign is now in shatters, but it's not dead yet. I've sent three packages since yesterday.
It's an accurate observation that by making it more difficult to obtain, the value of a production increases - in this case from about zero to about zero. Let's not get carried away by the relevance and significance of demos.
I can speak only for myself, but my motivation is something different: I find it an abomination to consume demos not live from real hardware, but via video, from internet, captured from an emulator, or any combination thereof. This is pure ideology.
The problem is just the absence of parties. Normally I visit parties to watch stuff from other platforms. I rarely watch a demo again that I have seen at a party. I cannot watch demos for the Windows platform for example, but I can visit parties to see them.
As artists, we have the choice of the medium. In absence of parties with live presentation, we've chosen to send out floppy disks, to make sure that our demo enters the recipients' senses as immediately and undistorted as possible.
As it turned out, it's also huge fun that I can recommend to everybody. :-)
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What bothers me about this discussion is that the distribution of something on floppy is somehow "limited", "inaccessible" or even means that the production isn't really "released".
It's important to me and the team to stress that we never intended our rule to mean any of these things. Other people in this discussion may or may not have expressed such sentiments but it's important to me to be crystal clear about this:
We are imposing a rule that a prod must be publicly downloadable to be eligible, for the reasons we outlined above. Nothing more, nothing less.
We do not intend to pass any kind of judgement on other methods of distribution like TEK use for Hologon. Quite to the contrary we like the idea of mailswapping and we applaud TEK for taking that approach! It just doesn't fit our rule, and had Haujobb not made it public we would not have considered Hologon. It has been made public before the prod suggestion deadline though and thus we are going to consider it for nomination.
By all means feel free to continue the discussion, but please keep in mind that some of the opinions and statements floating around in this thread are not ours and were never intended to be.
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We are imposing a rule that a prod must be publicly downloadable to be eligible
As I said -- your awards, your rules. My rant wasn't directed at Meteoriks but rather at other posts in this thread. My apologies for being unclear.
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I was not suggesting to remove those boxes entirely, just to put better labels on them.I have to disagree with Krill. The fact that these demos are running on an old and underpowered-by-today's-standards platform is what makes them interesting, not the number of data lines on the processor. Terms like 'old' and 'low-end' are only deprecating if you choose to interpret them that way - if anything, I'd say you're underselling the achievement by not giving that context.
"Vintage" has a nice ring to it, "low-end" not so much, however you look at it. =)
The bitness thing was really just an apropos suggestion to avoid lumping together 68K-based and other machines from the late home computer era with the early stuff, without resorting to "low-end" and "lowest-end" or something. :)
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My rant wasn't directed at Meteoriks but rather at other posts in this thread. My apologies for being unclear.
No worries, I just wasn't sure either way and figured it might be a good idea to generally clarify what is our stance and what isn't :)
looking forward to publicly download all those scene xmas postcards that apparently are a scene spirit nominee!
Haujobb made a new release? That's true scene spirit! They just forgot to add a proper cracktro and a bunch of trainers ;-)
like limp ninja did ages ago with that "warez"-release of that black maiden demo
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Not sure if proper intro or trainers, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsp9YfiAtFQHaujobb made a new release? That's true scene spirit! They just forgot to add a proper cracktro and a bunch of trainers ;-)
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like limp ninja did ages ago with that "warez"-release of that black maiden demo
like limp ninja did twice ages ago!
Then again, what's a more pure representation of Scene Spirit than something that causes a multi-page argument about something colossally irrelevant?
Nominee announcement, Revision news and invitation triple feature!
Our juries have decided on nominations for this year's awards and we're itching to announce them to the world!
Likewise, the Revision team is done with the invitation for Revision Online 2021, and they too are itching to show you the goods and share some Revision news too!
So D.Fox and dojoe invite you to join them on Sunday, March 7 at 20:00 CET for a live stream on Twitch, where they'll reveal both the Meteoriks 2021 nominees and the Revision Online 2021 invitation!
Mark your calendars, we're looking forward to seeing you all there!
https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty - tomorrow at eight!
Our juries have decided on nominations for this year's awards and we're itching to announce them to the world!
Likewise, the Revision team is done with the invitation for Revision Online 2021, and they too are itching to show you the goods and share some Revision news too!
So D.Fox and dojoe invite you to join them on Sunday, March 7 at 20:00 CET for a live stream on Twitch, where they'll reveal both the Meteoriks 2021 nominees and the Revision Online 2021 invitation!
Mark your calendars, we're looking forward to seeing you all there!
https://www.twitch.tv/revisionparty - tomorrow at eight!
Meteoriks 2020 - The Nominations!
Our juries have spoken, and we are proud to present you with the list of Meteoriks 2020 Nominees!
We're happy that despite 2020 being a very special and difficult year, you all kept on trucking hard and delivered a lot of outstanding productions again!
We would like to thank and congratulate the makers of each and every one of these.
NEW TALENT
darya for Bossa de Cores - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86978
harppi for Shroud - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=87088
NoxWings for Retro-Vibes - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86467
saimo for THE CURE - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86222
wrighter for Erpholia - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85318
BEST SOUNDTRACK
Wackelkontakt by Alcatraz and Prismbeings - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85220
Laevitas by Bitbendaz - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86761
Way Too Rude by Logicoma and Loonies - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85248
VX2 by Spectrals - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85304
teori by Altair - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=84535
OUTSTANDING TECHNICAL ACHIEVEMENT
AmigaKlang by Alcatraz and Haujobb - http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=85351
memories by Desire - http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=85227
Memento Mori by Genesis Project - http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=86927
37 bytes of RAM by Senil Data Systems - http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=85434
Hologon by The Electronic Knights - http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=88025
BEST EXECUTABLE GRAPHICS
hoody by iq/rgba - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85272
Primitive Portrait by yx - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85265
Waterfall by NuSan - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85268
The Real Party Is In Your Pocket by Fizzer - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85266
Mathketball by Mercury - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85279
BEST LOW-END PRODUCTION
Way Too Rude by Logicoma and Loonies - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85248
Hologon by The Electronic Knights - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=88025
Memento Mori by Genesis Project - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86927
Square Roots by Vanity - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85287
Darwin's Dilemma by Cerebral Vortex, Dead Hackers Society and SMFX - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86134
BEST HIGH-END INTRO
Deck II by LJ and Virgill - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85223
Lost Cargo by LJ and Virgill - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86756
Smoothie by Ninjadev - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86224
Wackelkontakt by Alcatraz and Prismbeings - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85220
The vanishing of Ashlar by NuSan - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85684
BEST VISUALS
teori by Altair - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=84535
Laevitas by Bitbendaz - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86761
Wackelkontakt by Alcatraz and Prismbeings - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85220
Home by Still - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85327
Komfur by 1. December - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86760
BEST HIGH-END DEMO
Demons by The Planet Of Leather Moomins - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=87103
teori by Altair - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=84535
VX2 by Spectrals - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85304
Laevitas by Bitbendaz - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86761
Asahi by Futuris - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85329
BEST DIRECTION
teori by Altair - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=84535
Midnight Express by Netro - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=86940
Demons by The Planet Of Leather Moomins - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=87103
VX2 by Spectrals - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85304
Way Too Rude by Logicoma and Loonies - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85248
SCENE SPIRIT AWARD
Demoscene Holiday Card Exchange by Starchaser - https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=11998
Sofaworld by Poo-Brain - https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=85328
Online Shader Showdowns by The Shader Showdown and Shader Royale team -
Cowee Advent Calendar by The MountainBytes organizers - https://www.pouet.net/topic.php?post=566259
Novoque by The Evoke organizers - https://www.pouet.net/party.php?which=1918
Give all of them a big hand!
We had a lot of fun revealing the nominees live on Twitch - if you missed it you can relive the show here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/940827208
Or you can watch our nomination video with excerpts from all these prods on YouTube: https://youtu.be/lyaTR13RxmQ
You can review the list on our website too: https://2021.meteoriks.org/nominees
Thanks to all who participated by suggesting prods, and to our jurors who spent the past weeks watching demos and discussing!
For the final reveal of who will get the prizes we'll meet again at Revision Online, on Friday at ei... peeks at timetable seven, apparently! Bring your tux!
-- The Meteoriks Team
Our juries have spoken, and we are proud to present you with the list of Meteoriks 2020 Nominees!
We're happy that despite 2020 being a very special and difficult year, you all kept on trucking hard and delivered a lot of outstanding productions again!
We would like to thank and congratulate the makers of each and every one of these.
NEW TALENT
BEST SOUNDTRACK
OUTSTANDING TECHNICAL ACHIEVEMENT
BEST EXECUTABLE GRAPHICS
BEST LOW-END PRODUCTION
BEST HIGH-END INTRO
BEST VISUALS
BEST HIGH-END DEMO
BEST DIRECTION
SCENE SPIRIT AWARD
Give all of them a big hand!
We had a lot of fun revealing the nominees live on Twitch - if you missed it you can relive the show here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/940827208
Or you can watch our nomination video with excerpts from all these prods on YouTube: https://youtu.be/lyaTR13RxmQ
You can review the list on our website too: https://2021.meteoriks.org/nominees
Thanks to all who participated by suggesting prods, and to our jurors who spent the past weeks watching demos and discussing!
For the final reveal of who will get the prizes we'll meet again at Revision Online, on Friday at ei... peeks at timetable seven, apparently! Bring your tux!
-- The Meteoriks Team
Congrats to all the nominees!
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