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Do you have any precise examples of what they're expressing ?

they are expressing whatever they can. that's what music is.

people express their feelings towards everything and try to make it look like they don't have feelings at all. it's all an expression of free speech. people call each other emo. but, never realize they are being that way at the same time. people express their opinions about government. but never realize they are safe at their house. people express everything.

parapete: just because one uses a "portable graphics API" does not mean that the code is easy to port or that there's even any motivation for porting it in the first place.

what gloom + loaderror said. The day you are more interested on the machine than on what you can do with the machine, you have to forget about making demos. Now from my experience many many sceners did not study computer science at all but something with much less computer references (or not at all), like electronic engineering, mathematics, physics, architecture - and many did not any studies at all. Probably a classroom of full of system-administrator-wanna-be's is not the best place to find sceners.

iq, how are you doing at pixar ?

^_well there's a start finding the target audience. maybe that's just what i am calling it. i am drunk right now and probably shouldn't have typed the last 2 paragraphs i types out. but i did and there is no delete button. but, you do need to find out who you are targeting with this and why. because you'll be stuck on this thread forever when you're actually doing things right. but, just not realizing it. for as long as the demoscene has been around i'd say you guys have done a damn fine job.

Do you think that WE got some kind of demoscene education or maybe got impressed by a "join the demoscene, you'll be a rockstar" commercial on Mtv and decided to apply for a demoscener position?
We just got some demos from some random source and decided it was fun to try to do the same, and people are still free and capable of following the same path.

@dixan. no, but i think that's what people are expecting these days. i know it takes alot of hard work to become a demoscener. but, apparently that isn't working these days or this thread wouldn't be here. now, i'm not telling you how to run things. but, if you guys don't find out who you are targeting with this. maybe you're just trying to entertain yourselves and this is why things aren't going as far as you'd like them to. even though they are going far enough. because, the demoscene has been around a long time and it is still going. maybe there aren't alot of demos being produced at the moment.but, who knows maybe next year may be different.

eh, maybe we all need antidepressants.

Hey stop projecting so much into ourselves HeXeN. Most of what you say here is pure speculation.

Haven't we established several times now that the scene doesn't need to be revived as it's neither dead or dying? Just because things have changed from the old days, doesn't mean the damn scene is dying. There's still a whole lot of demos being released (cue "but 64k is dead!!" bullshit), there's still a whole lot of active sceners, and there's still new people coming in.

it's all opinion and has been from the start. you can take it as negatively as you would like. i don't actually care what you do. i'm offering my opinions and hoping they mean something and if they don't it's not a big deal. but, i am offering them anyway. You are free to have your opinions and express them and i won't get angry for you having yours. but, i've got mine out of the way and you'll be free to express or rant about whatever you'd like without me interfering. i'm done posting to this thread and would be happy to be an observer instead. because, it's probably for the best.

i didn't say the scene was dying you guys did.

no, some random person passing through on page 1 said it was dying.
the scene is not an organisation that speaks with a single voice.

the scene is as alive or dead how you interpretate it, how you feel it how you see it..

For an old scener who has seen it all might say the scene is dead, the old days were great when the scene was really alive..

But for a new scener who just enters the scene today it could be more alive then ever..

so lets face it.. the scene can never die :)

i didnt exactly say it was dying i was asking what could be done to bring more people into the scene. I was just cruising around my demoscene sites and noticing they were running a little dry.. that's why i asked this question..
and i'm not some random person i been here for a while just never posted.

This thread is now being hijacked. The new topic is:
What could be done to bring more people into the ITALIAN scene.

German demoscene doesn't need any further beefing up.

dixan: An italian demoparty?

more italian presidency competition threads?

dixan i suggest you start making kids and teach them to code. In 16 years you and your children will dominate the italian scene :-)

kusma: we have one (horde party) and it's infested by foreign goth and metal freaks who win all the prizes.

ux: now we are talking serious stuff! Can't wait for the day when demogroups will be replaced by demofamilies :)
"Variform 7" by The Seppanen feat. The Koivisto.

kusma: Okay, replace "excuse not to do a port" with "excuse not to write portable code".

hey dixan, i'm half italian :), but i can't speak the iti tough... i'm swiss
what do you think about this new kind of demos? in particular demos over the network... it's a bit messy, i know, but socket coding isn't that hard, one just have to code a small opengl engine which exposes a simple interface to trigger effects and there you go... but i have no to clear idea, there would be a lot of (interesting) work to do.
i think demos are somehow done, techwise... farbrausch with 'debris' and 'linger in shadows' as a commercially supported prod set the expectations that high... so that the more techy demo makers have really hard times now. why not try to get rid of all the too competitive compos and do some experimental, impovised computing as a collective?