Breakpoint 2006
category: general [glöplog]
damn, that's not so nice. again no uc for me, then.
Scamp apparently craves our competition: the Dutchies finally moved Outline to another weekend than Breakpoint, and almost instantly he comes onto our turf for a summer re-match...
Demozone vs. UC... I say, bring it on... :-)
Demozone vs. UC... I say, bring it on... :-)
Hm. Looks like my last post got... ignored by pouet. darn.
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last post lol.
anyway, scamp: still no joy on mirculously finding my green sleeping bag and black hoodie in the detritus of BP2006?
anyway, scamp: still no joy on mirculously finding my green sleeping bag and black hoodie in the detritus of BP2006?
Ok, trying to post this using Firefox results in the HTTP POST to pouet hanging forever. So here we go with IE...
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Anyway, as trying to repost it makes pouet block, I'll re-write... *sigh*
Well, the problem is that at the end of July / beginning of August is completely filled with parties already, so it's impossible not to conflict with one. Blame it on those organizers who run their hall-based parties during the best summertime, not leaving space for open air parties that somewhat are required to happen during summer ;)
One week after UC there is ASM, then comes Evoke, Buenzli etc etc.
But oh well - Underground Conference is meant to stay a small hardcore fake-invitation-elite-only-event (I don't want to organize TWO Breakpoint-sized parties per year ;), mostly focussed at german sceners, so date conflicts with other parties outside germany aren't much of an issue imho...
Still, I'd love to see skrebbel compete in the Happy Hardcore compo, so there is SOME loss indeed.
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Anyway, as trying to repost it makes pouet block, I'll re-write... *sigh*
Well, the problem is that at the end of July / beginning of August is completely filled with parties already, so it's impossible not to conflict with one. Blame it on those organizers who run their hall-based parties during the best summertime, not leaving space for open air parties that somewhat are required to happen during summer ;)
One week after UC there is ASM, then comes Evoke, Buenzli etc etc.
But oh well - Underground Conference is meant to stay a small hardcore fake-invitation-elite-only-event (I don't want to organize TWO Breakpoint-sized parties per year ;), mostly focussed at german sceners, so date conflicts with other parties outside germany aren't much of an issue imho...
Still, I'd love to see skrebbel compete in the Happy Hardcore compo, so there is SOME loss indeed.
shifter: did you already mail me a *DETAILED* description (possibly with pictures) of those items? Without that, there is next to zero chance of finding it, because there are about one gazillion left sleeping bags....
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not leaving space for open air parties that somewhat are required to happen during summer
sparcus: if that date was really suitable for a party, why didn't the other THREE choose it? ;)
scamp: since I lack the brainrot of regular livejournal/myspace users, I can't really say I own a tonnage of pictures of anything I own(ed) for the sake of it, so the best thing I can procure is this: http://www.slengpung.com/?id=14425 (The beached whale in pink is me, the bright green thing is the sleeping bag).
It has a print of a buffalo-ish creature on one upper corner and is made of that ridiculously super-light material people think mountaineers use all the time. It's poison green on the outside, darker green on the inside, zipper is darkest green. It's definitely not rolled up in the bag, since that was still in the limp ninja cooking camp, while the sleeping bag was rather absent.
The hoodie is a default cotton affair: brand unknown, pockets on either side and a zipper.
It has a print of a buffalo-ish creature on one upper corner and is made of that ridiculously super-light material people think mountaineers use all the time. It's poison green on the outside, darker green on the inside, zipper is darkest green. It's definitely not rolled up in the bag, since that was still in the limp ninja cooking camp, while the sleeping bag was rather absent.
The hoodie is a default cotton affair: brand unknown, pockets on either side and a zipper.
sparcus has leading.
and i must say your saying that "there is SOME loss indeed" sortof leaves me a bit embittered; as if my happy hardcore entry is the only thing you regret about the date clash. despite the invite-only-ness i'm sure you're going to invite the majority of demozone's german target audience, which is significant.
(sidenote: demozone is just about as open air as uc is)
meh, this shit sucks. i really hate this. scamp, no offense, i still like you and am thrilled you're doing another uc, but, well. we're trying to tell people about the demoscene here. the dutch demoscene is tiny. yet, we do it, we mingle with gamers and leechers and linuxers and we actually manage to interest a few. however, with all 20 dutch (newschool) demosceners showing up, we'll hardly have a demoparty, and surely will not pass much scene spirit onto the uninitiated. last year's germans loved demozone, and we are really hoping for more. i'm honestly afraid, however, they'll pick a cozy german speaking boozefest in the bingen forests instead, and it makes me wonder whether these efforts are worth it at all.
sorry for the whining.
all that said, i'm with havoc here. demozone is going to be awesome, and you should all come. no kidding; we've a special atmosphere you're very unlikely to come across anywhere else.
and i must say your saying that "there is SOME loss indeed" sortof leaves me a bit embittered; as if my happy hardcore entry is the only thing you regret about the date clash. despite the invite-only-ness i'm sure you're going to invite the majority of demozone's german target audience, which is significant.
(sidenote: demozone is just about as open air as uc is)
meh, this shit sucks. i really hate this. scamp, no offense, i still like you and am thrilled you're doing another uc, but, well. we're trying to tell people about the demoscene here. the dutch demoscene is tiny. yet, we do it, we mingle with gamers and leechers and linuxers and we actually manage to interest a few. however, with all 20 dutch (newschool) demosceners showing up, we'll hardly have a demoparty, and surely will not pass much scene spirit onto the uninitiated. last year's germans loved demozone, and we are really hoping for more. i'm honestly afraid, however, they'll pick a cozy german speaking boozefest in the bingen forests instead, and it makes me wonder whether these efforts are worth it at all.
sorry for the whining.
all that said, i'm with havoc here. demozone is going to be awesome, and you should all come. no kidding; we've a special atmosphere you're very unlikely to come across anywhere else.
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demozone is going to be awesome, and you should all come.
any remedy for the 70 euro entry fee?
The thrill of being in the wild. Totally.
I admire the kind of balls it takes to go sit smack-bang in the middle of the lion's den. That's basically what the people of demozone did: go right into a gamerfest, set up camp and simply go:
"Hi! How about broadening the horizon a bit and actually *do* something that actually shows you know more than de_sands and wallhack jokes?"
Parties like breakpoint and uc simply add to the elite threshold by constantly reminding their audience about how "pure" their parties are -pretty much like the other German parties like to express themselves. Heaven knows somebody will make a crack at germany's other pureness programs, so nobody get frisky with Godwin -I already took care of that one.
Assembly and the gathering are basically justifying themselves by their roots being demoscene, while hopping along to the langamer beat.
None of these parties matter in the innovative sense anymore. Demozone is ballsy and more exciting than watching me cook.
So, at the premium of 25 euros over ye old same old, I am willing to sit there telling people I'm not playing lumines, rather I am watching Limp Ninja's 4k entry on PSP, care to join me k thx.
I admire the kind of balls it takes to go sit smack-bang in the middle of the lion's den. That's basically what the people of demozone did: go right into a gamerfest, set up camp and simply go:
"Hi! How about broadening the horizon a bit and actually *do* something that actually shows you know more than de_sands and wallhack jokes?"
Parties like breakpoint and uc simply add to the elite threshold by constantly reminding their audience about how "pure" their parties are -pretty much like the other German parties like to express themselves. Heaven knows somebody will make a crack at germany's other pureness programs, so nobody get frisky with Godwin -I already took care of that one.
Assembly and the gathering are basically justifying themselves by their roots being demoscene, while hopping along to the langamer beat.
None of these parties matter in the innovative sense anymore. Demozone is ballsy and more exciting than watching me cook.
So, at the premium of 25 euros over ye old same old, I am willing to sit there telling people I'm not playing lumines, rather I am watching Limp Ninja's 4k entry on PSP, care to join me k thx.
On another note: I do wish to note that july has always been a clusterfuck of demoparties. Take last year: initially Scene Event, Demozone *and* Assembly chose the same date, and many fists shook in the skies at any given deity at hand. It was a bloody miracle that got sorted out.
I don't blame Scamp per se, but research would've been cute ;)
I don't blame Scamp per se, but research would've been cute ;)
forget summer and come to inerciademoparty'06 - 26 till 30 september!!
btw: we are expecting very good weather still :)
btw: we are expecting very good weather still :)
sparcus: Well ok, there indeed was one unassigned weekend left. But 14-16 would have been too early to get this organized - Breakpoint doesn't allow me to start organizing instead of working so early again. Actually I would have preferred to have UC at the beginning of August, but that was too cluttered with parties highly relevant to german sceners.
Btw, I *did* do some research, however I only checked the ojuice party calendar, where demozone isn't listed.
Skrebbel, ok, didn't look at it that way. No offense, but usually my personal respect for gamer-parties with some small scene areas is rather small, but I now see the effort behind it. I doubt there is much I can do about this now other than telling you that next time I'll take care not to collide with demozone if at all possible.
I could invite you to merge demozone with UC and do your camping in a sceners-only campzone instead of being surrounded by gamers, but I guess you aren't interested in that and it's already too late etc.
Btw, I *did* do some research, however I only checked the ojuice party calendar, where demozone isn't listed.
Skrebbel, ok, didn't look at it that way. No offense, but usually my personal respect for gamer-parties with some small scene areas is rather small, but I now see the effort behind it. I doubt there is much I can do about this now other than telling you that next time I'll take care not to collide with demozone if at all possible.
I could invite you to merge demozone with UC and do your camping in a sceners-only campzone instead of being surrounded by gamers, but I guess you aren't interested in that and it's already too late etc.
I'll post in multiple parts as pouet still goes bezerk if I try to post a longer message. A tcpdump sure looks fucked up...
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shifter: Obviously I don't share your views ;)
For me all those outreach activities are just fine. Trying to get gamers/leechers interested in the demoscene etc. But personally, I don't think this is helping the scene much. I'd very much prefer to get in contact with art universities/schools and stuff like that. I think it would bring more fruits to make people who actually are *interested* in doing creative work aware of the demoscene, instead of trying to motivate consumers to leave their consume-only role. But that's a different story.
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shifter: Obviously I don't share your views ;)
For me all those outreach activities are just fine. Trying to get gamers/leechers interested in the demoscene etc. But personally, I don't think this is helping the scene much. I'd very much prefer to get in contact with art universities/schools and stuff like that. I think it would bring more fruits to make people who actually are *interested* in doing creative work aware of the demoscene, instead of trying to motivate consumers to leave their consume-only role. But that's a different story.
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And regarding that "german parties are (too) scene-only focussed" - I think that's the good thing about german parties. Staying focussed exclusively on the scene is the only way to make sure parties don't follow the "get bigger and more commercial" trend. I'm really happy that I can be sure Breakpoint, TUM and Evoke won't sell-out just so they can grow. Hell, we got more of enough examples in scene history about what happens if you lose this focus. As soon as you have people at your party who do not feel as part of the family, you need to have strict security rules, you get theft and all that bullshit. Things become far more anonymous. For me, that's just not worth it.
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And regarding that "german parties are (too) scene-only focussed" - I think that's the good thing about german parties. Staying focussed exclusively on the scene is the only way to make sure parties don't follow the "get bigger and more commercial" trend. I'm really happy that I can be sure Breakpoint, TUM and Evoke won't sell-out just so they can grow. Hell, we got more of enough examples in scene history about what happens if you lose this focus. As soon as you have people at your party who do not feel as part of the family, you need to have strict security rules, you get theft and all that bullshit. Things become far more anonymous. For me, that's just not worth it.
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And even when staying focussed on the scene, you still are able to attract non-sceners to dive into our world - in Germany we have Digitale Kultur e.V. to organize this, and IMHO this works out pretty nice. Breakpoint for example gets cover in all kinds of tech- and art media and is attracting non-sceners to take a dive into our world. So, it's not really needed to destroy our freedom just to adapt to some non-sceners needs, THEY need adapt to the scene spririt anyway if they want to become part of the scene.
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And even when staying focussed on the scene, you still are able to attract non-sceners to dive into our world - in Germany we have Digitale Kultur e.V. to organize this, and IMHO this works out pretty nice. Breakpoint for example gets cover in all kinds of tech- and art media and is attracting non-sceners to take a dive into our world. So, it's not really needed to destroy our freedom just to adapt to some non-sceners needs, THEY need adapt to the scene spririt anyway if they want to become part of the scene.
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And UC is something completely different and doesn't fall in any of those categories. It's a mixture of demoparty *satire* and a survival camp. The target audioence is rather small, as it only includes die-hard sceners who are able to laugh about themselves, and part of the concept is that every visitor also is an organizer, so we want to make sure that we personally know and like each single visitor. All official organizers are required to be stoned and drunk from the opening ceremony on, and everything is organized to be as absurd as possible (for example the party uses its own financialy currency, the 'rule', where 303 RULE = 0.50 Euro, and all you can buy is paid with a chipcard charged with RULEs, we have competitions like "paralymp3", where you have to do very silly things on stage while your entry gets played, 180BPM Pan-beating... etc etc).
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And UC is something completely different and doesn't fall in any of those categories. It's a mixture of demoparty *satire* and a survival camp. The target audioence is rather small, as it only includes die-hard sceners who are able to laugh about themselves, and part of the concept is that every visitor also is an organizer, so we want to make sure that we personally know and like each single visitor. All official organizers are required to be stoned and drunk from the opening ceremony on, and everything is organized to be as absurd as possible (for example the party uses its own financialy currency, the 'rule', where 303 RULE = 0.50 Euro, and all you can buy is paid with a chipcard charged with RULEs, we have competitions like "paralymp3", where you have to do very silly things on stage while your entry gets played, 180BPM Pan-beating... etc etc).
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For me UC is the chance to implement all those weird stupid non-sense ideas that get rejected from Breakpoint because they are not "serious" enough. I don't have to be the perfect mainorganizers that cares about everything, I'll get stoned like hell and then start to annoy the visitors as much as I can :)
So, UC obviously is not competing with any serious demoparty, and is not your typical "perfect german scene-only" party...
For me UC is the chance to implement all those weird stupid non-sense ideas that get rejected from Breakpoint because they are not "serious" enough. I don't have to be the perfect mainorganizers that cares about everything, I'll get stoned like hell and then start to annoy the visitors as much as I can :)
So, UC obviously is not competing with any serious demoparty, and is not your typical "perfect german scene-only" party...
i would just like to add: COME TO SOLSKOGEN! 100% crash-free! (with the exception of euskal...)
veel woorden, weinig argumenten. die tactiek probeer ik ook altijd als ik me klemgeluld voel...
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Btw, I *did* do some research, however I only checked the ojuice party calendar, where demozone isn't listed.
Ok, you're right, it should have been there already. However, shame on you for totaly missing demoparty.net, I hope Poti is gonna kick your ass at UC7 for not knowing about his great new site ;-)
only invited germans are welcome? :(
